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Discussion in 'Yacht Renderings & Plans' started by yipster, Aug 26, 2006.

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  1. yipster

    yipster New Member

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    like to hear your thoughts on this sketch of a cat motorsailer
    was planning drawing something like this but got challanced
    aft hinged whishbone mast rigged with stern spreaders
    davids lift a small car in the hull, tender in the other
    and how about a glued alu spaceframe with airex
  2. KCook

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    Welcome to YachtForums yipster. :)

    Wild design, wild rendering!

    Kelly Cook
  3. yipster

    yipster New Member

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    thanks for the welcome and yes its a "wild design and render"
    as concept i think "Ca suffit" (as mentioned in another thread)
    working on it, other liberal and even wilder ideas in my gallery
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    Dunno where the heck everybody went Yipster :confused:

    But while they are away perhaps you could offer a translation of "Ca suffit"?

    Kelly
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    its sufficient or is enough along those lines
    reading "Ca suffit" gave me a wide smile this morning
    o yeah, nice area, nice boats, perfect sign :)
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    Ah so, an exercise in understatement. Thanks Yipster :)
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    I've never seen a sailing yacht with the mast that far aft. But then I haven't seen many wishbone rigs either. Would you happen to have a photo of an existing yacht with similar rig?

    (Love the modeling on the Porche BTW)
    Kelly
  9. yipster

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    i like porsches also ( used stockart here ;-)
    couldnt quikly find a free small car but fits in 16 x 8 meter boat tho

    as for the A rig: no leading edge ( mast ) on mainsail,
    jib on furler, can carry 2 sails lateral and much more
    ( and folds away nicely -maybe in white- on a motorsailor ;-)
    more at arno gaudier running tide yachts and boatdeasign

    cheers
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    Thanks for those links yipster. I had not heard of these aftmasted rigs before. That design by Arno Gaudier is certainly thinking outside the box!

    Kelly
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    not drawn are aft stays and sprits, whats new ?
    not the reversed wavepiercing bow or taking a car
    not the rig nor a motor sailer, but havent seen it so
    like to hear what you guy's think of my concept
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    Hello Yipster
    Don't know how I missed this. Keep it coming. Any chance of a single rendering under full sail? :)

    Kelly, agreed, the Gaudier model is beautiful!
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    Yipster, as an armchair designer (oh heck, I would even make a mess of an armchair) the only critical concern I would have is the extreme forward location of the wheelhouse. Seems like it would be begging to play submarine in big swell. Otherwise I would say it's a breathtaking concept. An actual build would require a client that is a real risk taker. But those people do exist. It's really great to see such a refreshing design (I'm not buying the "whats new ?" humility).

    Kelly
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    KCook, thanks for the apriciation and feedback to another armchair designer.
    big forward strakes above the wavepiercers give buoancy, keep spray down,
    and together with a little setback 3 meter bow in pilothouse should prevent nosediving,
    also see incat, together its still a refreshing design you agree right?

    Codger, here a quik -not in raytrace- possible dual jib allready covering 150 m2
    leaving planty other full 3d sailplans, maybe mast should be little fwd
    and dont forget the idea is a liveaboard motor sailer

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    I saw that some of the sails on the Arno Gaudier design had booms. I think that would make the sail a lot more effective. Though a boom can be a nuisance to deal with.

    Kelly
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    I LOVE IT! it's everything that is awesome and radical. yet it's not really aroedynamic, is it?
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    thanks jimminychricket, tri and cat racing sailers argue for a very small cockpit
    this is not a racer but fast motorsailor liveaboard 16x8 meter concept with
    :eek: 2 kingsize beds under pilothouse with sitee, badroom etc in the hulls
    :eek: 5x8 to 7x8 meter aft saloon with jacuzzi in the ceiling
    :eek: 6x7 meter pilothouse
    :eek: 6x7 meter flybridge (with pool)
    4 flloors in 3 meter high, plus 1 clearance is 4 metr total height
    think i better draw some detailed interior to show what i mean :eek:
    keeping your thoughts in mind
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    try'd a variation with pilot house aft but int layout dont get better
    specially bedrooms aft give little hullspace.
    forward pliothouse gives little less sail but may help staying ahead of the wet
    and on the sharp bows dont think windage will make much of a difference

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  19. KCook

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    Your hull shapes now seem to almost be keels in reverse? That could result in issues with bow steering.

    Kelly
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    that depends, if the reversed full lenght sharp V wavepiercing bow is not
    crooked it, on the contrairy, should provide good liniar stability for long range cruising
    no bowrudders intended for close quarters with 2 engines available
    detachable bow sections might make sense for colission and production
    still not satisfied with mast, should be an A with or without bar, perhaps
    made of separete booms and many more things to consider and specify
    overall tho, i find it a interesting concept worth further exploring