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Discussion in 'Chris Craft Roamer Yacht' started by alloyed2sea, Nov 19, 2013.

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  1. alloyed2sea

    alloyed2sea Moderator

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    Spotted these on the web in a '65 Riviera 37 (AL) the other day. Looks like they are either super-, or turbo-charged. Anyone care to ID them? :eek:

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    Marinized Perkins block. Strange to me heat exchanger/exhaust manifold. Injector tubes Thur the head remind me of Fords but not quite.
    turbo.
    Kinda looks neat.
    Need an official oldie guy to official ID this one.
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    On third (forth) thought, Don't think Perkins any more. An Italian (Perkins/ford copy) gizmo. I do like the oil filter on the same cooler assembly.
    I can't make out the cast marque.
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    Hi,

    The tin valve covers and inj pipe routing point to Ford, they were used in many applications and often turbo charged. The ones I have worked on we're in D Series trucks and the turbos were mounted mid manifold , the engines were also mounted on a slant.

    FWIW: Those little fuel filters would have originally been CAV 7111-296 elements. Sometimes I wonder why all these numbers seem to be burnt onto my internal Hdd.

    The upside down filter thing could well be a SCA cartridge.
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    I was thinking that but the pass-thru for the fuel tubes looked different to me.
    Still on my first cup of coffee,,, SCA??
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    That's why I was thinking Iveco, again based on the Ford.
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    Hi,

    Ralph, SCA is supplemental coolant additive. It is or at least used to be available in a spin on type filter arrangement for Cummins I think Detroit might have also had it or it was an aftermarket thing for them
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    Cool, Thx,
    rc
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    These look an awful lot like the Sabre Ford Diesels I remember in an old CC down the dock from us years ago. They were about 300HP each, wound tight...
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    I think Seafarer has the correct answer. I Googled "Sabre Ford Diesel" and this photo popped up. Looks like it to me.

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    If those were aqua blue, they'd be just as I remember.

    The typical HP on those was 212, but I remember the owner being so proud he had the top of the line, almost as much HP as our 8v-71 Detroits.
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    KIDS?????

    No, just sad and old......
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    There also is one of the origional guys making brand new ones, and I think they've got the HP up to 260. They're also electronic diesels now. I ran a set a friend of mine put in a 44 or 48' Grand Banks headed to Norway. They looked like the bright red ones in the picture posted above......I think most of them are 220hp (new ones).
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    Mystery solved

    You guys really know your motors.
    And upon reflection these were a pretty good, if not esoteric choice for the 37' Riviera shownbelow . The optional 6V53 GM diesels originally offered were good for 197hp.
    Riviera_37
    Still, they need to be painted red, no?
    Defintely Fords (see photo/logo below)
    And the answer is:
    Sabre 212C, 212 HP Diesel Engines
    5.9 L, Turbocharged Intercooled 6 cylinder diesel.
    212 HP @ 2500 RPM
    Apparently used in ex-US Army Bridge Erection Vessels -"Cialis"? :p
    Cheers!
    -Eric

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