Why not a used Azimut?

I would take a Searay, Neptunus, or Sunseeker over a Viking Princess or Fairline anyday. I've run several Princesses including a new 2014 as well as a few fairlines and they both had many issues.

Most new boats do, especially larger production-based craft. I wouldn't be quick to discount all Brit boats. We have some happy Fairline owners on YF. The OP is searching the pre-owned market. If the bugs haven't been resolved, a survey will reveal.

He didn't discount all Brit boats. He loves Sunseeker.

I suggest the same on Italian boats. We love our Riva's.

Most I've run were not new. But the access on the Princesses to anything in the engine room is near impossible. Many issues from an engineering standpoint, same with Fairline....The Princesses/Viking SC do not ride that great, some are ok like the 64' (2004), but the new 56' (2014)and older 61' FB (1998) boats and 58' express (2005) are pounders......I do like Sunseekers, which are not without their blemishes either such as gelcoat cracking, but the best of that breed/country when it comes to build quality and ride. It looked like on the Princess 56' was built by unskilled craftsman because Princess moved all of their skilled craftsman to the new big ones they introduced and couldn't keep up with demand and all the new hires worked on building the small ones.....They also don't learn and change. This 2014 was on it's 2nd retractible canvas FB top because the first one shredded on it's initial seatrial and the second one shredded all of it's extremely undersized hardware before we got to Bimini and had 16 5/16" ropes tieing the 1" s/s poles to the windshield supports so we could do our trip to the Exumas and Back......

Same with Italian boats in this size, Riva is the best of that country......most are not close quality wise when you consider Italian boats....Azimut, Uniesse, etc.

I would have to agree on the above. Riva and Pershing are among the best quality production boats from Italy. With some distance behind, I would consider a Mangusta but only from the post Rodriguez aera. As a yard for a larger full custom boat, I would consider ISA for quality and construction.

British yachts are not on my Radar, I could not tell if good or bad. The only british boat we ever had in the family many years ago, was a Fisher 46, a canoe stern ketch type sail boat. Not very pretty and not ment for racing but a great and sturdy sail boat in heavy weather.

Pretty or even beautiful is just not the British way of doing things .




Sorry, I could not resist .

Lazzara 68

So how do you like your Lazzara?

We've enjoyed it a lot, but it's on the market, as we've bought a Florida home, and it's not getting as much use as it did originally.

Things I like about it:

1. One of the few boats of that size with 4 staterooms, and a private shower/head in each.
2. Beefy systems, such as fresh water pumps.
3. Huge engine room, with great access to systems, and stand up headroom.
4. Only 4' draft .... Great for South Florida coastal cruising.
5. Stabilizers work great .... Very comfortable ride. (Caveat ... We don't often go boating real bad weather)
6. Day head off the galley.
7. Dinghy garage, keeps he dinghy out of the weather. (But less convenient to use if you are stern in docked)
8. Galley at salon level.
9. American built, so american systems .... Easier to service, etc.


Things I don't like:
1. Lazzara out of business, although they didn't give us much support the one time we asked for it.
2. We had a problem with headliners falling down .... Lazzara had a dumb way of installing them, and we had to essentially replace them all with a better system.
3. Lots of windage when docking in a breeze. It can be a handful when it's just me and my wife.

That's an extremely useful and direct list, providing a succinct and substantive review. Well done, I like it.

All boats have issues - but as an owner you learn to love the boat and figure out the "work arounds". Azimuth have fantastic hulls designed to go to sea,handle all kinds of conditions, and bring the owner and family home. Not all boats can say that! Sea Ray's are great boats but the hulls just do not compare to the Azimuth design. Yes - Sea Rays offer more interior room - thats by design and what the American market wants. The compromise is a hull is more about general comfort and not ultimate sea handling or high top speeds. Med boats, including Azimuth, are design with less beam - thats what give them a higher speed, depending on engines, etc., and the ability to handle more diverse sea conditions.

Buy a boat that you love - learn its' charastics and enjoy the ride!

One thing about the Great Lakes is they can go from nice to rough very quickly, like in a couple of hours. So speed might be of interest and in the Great Lakes you cannot predict that a nice day will stay that way.

I'd also take a look at Searay sedan bridges as they're similar to the Neptunus and a good boat also. Not sure what your needs are or budget, but newer and a bit smaller might be easier to deal with budget wise, than older and larger, unless you need the size for your family situation.

Good logic Zud,
Have you looked at a Tollycraft 57?
Older model boat, US built.
The ones I have seen are good quality and good sea boats with a terrific layout.
There are a few for sale, worth having a look. Ed Monk design, so besides having a good hull, they also are aesthetically nice. Although my favourite is the 65 foot, perfect boat for a cruising family and very pleasing to the eye. The 61 foot has a cockpit that is far too small. There is an extended 61 in Stuart, Florida for sale. It is now a 68 foot with large cockpit and if I didn't have a boat and our Aussie dollar had not dropped so low, I would be on my way to check it out!

Here is the link to the Tollycraft 68. I realise it is quite a lot larger than you were discussing, but for the money, where can you find a similar motor Yacht?
If the photos match reality (rarely the case) or even come close to the actual boat, then I would put this yacht at the top of my list.
http://au.**************/boats/1992/Tollycraft-Pilothouse-2764901/United-States