"Humans in general not very smart?" Speak for yourself. Why can't you offer opinions of the various boats without insulting those who choose otherwise? I was enjoying your comments up until the time you felt those who chose for reasons different than yours were stupid. Your opinions are very good until you disparage those who disagree. People buy boats for many reasons and they don't always buy for their performance in rough seas as the vast majority of pleasure boaters never go into rough seas. Many buy for creature comforts and space. Every boat is a compromise on many factors. As to quality and rough sea performance, we own two Riva's and are extremely impressed with every aspect of their quality and their handling of seas. We did test a Pershing at the time we purchased the Riva's. We found a compromise of ride for speed that didn't appeal to us. That's design and the nature of the boat. It was faster than the Riva, but it did pound some under rough conditions when a similarly sized Riva did not. We have a Rivarama and a Vertigo (which I still vote as the worst name ever for a boat model thinking they were unaware of it's meaning in English). We also own a Sunseeker Manhattan 65. We purchased it primarily to do the loop and it's an excellent boat for that purpose. We've had no significant quality issues so far. We have also had it in fairly rough seas along the coast and in the Great Lakes and been pleased with how it handled conditions. We wouldn't rate it's ride in those conditions as good as we would the Riva's but then our Riva in the same length is a coupe and doesn't have nearly the space the Manhattan has. Space was a critical reason we purchased the Manhattan. Riva makes nothing to compare to it in that size, with a flybridge. Still I more than trust it to handle any seas it will ever see. Not like we're going to cross the Atlantic in it. Azimut is designed as a lower cost line. With that comes compromise. However, the major issues with them in the US are wiring, parts and the single source service network which leaves one at the mercy of Marine Max with no other party to turn to if not being serviced to your satisfaction. I know some people in Europe feel better toward Azimut and Benetti. We are chartering an AB in Europe for a week sometime in late March or April as I am anxious to form an opinion of my own regarding them. We're interested in them simply for the speed they offer and, unlike many, I do like jet propulsion. Still I've never used it on a boat in the 80-110' size range and look forward to doing so. However, the fact a boat isn't a great rough water boat doesn't necessarily make it a bad boat. You mention Beneteau. I know at least 8 or 10 owners of Beneteau Swift Trawlers and they are all very happy with their boats. The only criticisms I've heard have been it's through hulls. It's not a great rough water boat but handles moderately rough seas safely. It is a coastal cruiser, a Loop boat, a nice bay boat and a good boat for the PNW. It's a moderately priced boat that fills a niche which has been largely deserted by other manufacturers. It's not my choice of boat, but again, I respect all those I know who do own them. They get the compromise they seek between ride and usable space, between speed and economy. They're the crowd not happy with trawler speeds but not needing to run 30 knots either, not intending to cross oceans but needing to be able to handle seas that come up quickly along the coast. See, I don't feel people or boat buyers are stupid. I look at the largest "yacht" builders in the world, Sunseeker, Azimut/Benetti, Sanlorenzo, and Ferretti. I don't see their sales as a matter of stupidity but a compromise of price and comfort vs. performance and ability to handle rough ocean seas in some cases. They meet price points and do what the average boater needs out of them. I don't consider the purchaser who chooses a boat different than the one I would to be stupid, but simply choosing one that matches their needs better, and one of those needs with most is affordability. In the US, Sea Ray has more happy boaters than any of the brands we'll ever discuss here. They meet the needs of the mass market extremely well.