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WHAT happens to a boat sitting in water for TWO years?

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Sunni, Jan 20, 2023.

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  1. Slimshady

    Slimshady Senior Member

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    From experience the original water pumps do suck. Replaced with after market, no issues. That's the only nonmaintenance thing that was replaced on mine. 1200 hours
  2. Sunni

    Sunni New Member

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    I wondered the same thing?!!
  3. Capt Ralph

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    A shudder just went down my spine,, Oil change hose?
  4. Sunni

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    .....I've really appreciated all these comments about the boat and pictures I included. I think we WILL actually be having to hire a REAL Cummins MARINE tech for survey and note/fix issues that need to be adddressed. I want to know in advance of problems before purchase...I despise liars, untruth tellers.You guys all here just keep tellimg me what we need to do/ask for/look at and I can't tell you how very much that means. If Carver is not a good quality-or is difficult to work on, what are other options?
  5. Capt Ralph

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    Some owner/sellers may not be lying, just don't know any better.
    Some owner/sellers are.
    Then there is the boat broker. To many are ex used car sale folk that couldn't make it.
    When your past picking up a used Hula-Hoop,, Buyer CYA well.

    Let us know when you need a real yacht broker, A few are rite here on YF.

    I and others do not want to say Carver is a bad boat. Lets say, IMO; cost-reduced.
    There are a lot of them out there. Many (many, many) different styles. Most owners are (were) happy.
    Like the pioneer is mass produced boats, Pantyliner (Bayliner) offered a lot of boat for the money. So did Carver.
  6. SplashFl

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    Sounds like now you're on a better path. You absolutely also want a diesel engine survey by a qualified Cummins guy, so one for the boat and one for the engines & generator, and remember, there's no guaranty they will find it all. My last purchase after nearly 2 years shopping, was 6 months back. Both surveyor's and their reports appeared very thorough and in most cases correct however not 100% and some of the items found were also a surprise to the seller who when all was said & done agreed to reduce the contract by over 30% from original asking price.
  7. Pascal

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    So you had a survey done already, did you have both a Hull survey AND an engine survey by TWO separate surveyors?

    if not, and if you really like the boat, I would ask The seller to get the engines running properly and hire a Cummins specialist to do the proper engine survey.

    Carvers are average in quality but when dealing with an older boat, previous maintenance is almost as important as original build quality.

    unfortunately, there are no miracle and when you need to cram two diesels, a generator and plenty of cabin space, accessibility is going to suffer. That said some boats are better than others.

    that Racor fuel filter is a perfect example. Servicing the bottom half would take 30 minutes with good access but will likely take 3 hours in this case. That’s $50 labor vs $300 … and the list goes on.

    a side effect of this is that maintenance and repairs gets deferred and eventually fall in the laps of the next owner

    fuel tanks… did the surveyor mention anything? Replacing fuel tanks is a major expense as often the engine have to come out. Again, not a carver specific issue but one to be avoided.
  8. Capt Ralph

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    I had to repeat Pascals last line.
    Carvers are notorious for leaking tanks. Usually the outside bottom seam. Yes, where the wet trash collects on the inside and outside.
    Ask Huckins. Every year some model is in there getting one or both tanks replaced.
    They about have a routine going.
  9. SplashFl

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    I've no first hand knowledge of this photo but the story with it was she had not moved in many years and than one morning found on the bottom; refloated and towed to a yard. Have you looked into insurance yet ? I found nearly all of the underwriters wanted a survey by a surveyor who's a member of their listed survey entity.

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  10. ranger58sb

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    A Carver is usually an OK affordable boat. Not a battlewagon, but then they don't usually cost like a battlewagon, either.

    Pro: Carver puts a lot of boat in X length. Con: Carver puts a lot of boat in X length.

    When we were shopping last, we looked at Carvers and many had decent "people features" that we wanted. OTOH, when I looked at access to systems... ummmmm... challenging. And minimizing access to systems is what made some of the "people features" possible.

    That said... a 45' Carver is maybe going to be easier to maintain than a 39'... because maybe the larger boat has the same "people features" but may offer better service access. Unless they took that opportunity to cram in another whole stateroom.

    FWIW, we didn't buy a Carver... after shopping mostly on the 560/570V... almost primarily because I didn't like the helm stations. Not enough room for a decent MFD layout at the upper station, ditto at the lower station -- latter complicated by MFD locations overhead of the windshield AND because of such a sloping windshield that glare was a factor. Friends looked at 460/450 models that they liked, but I didn't review those closely...

    -Chris
  11. motoryachtlover

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    OP with what little I know about you I would skip this boat. If it hasn’t been used odds are it has been neglected. I don’t care who surveys it they won’t catch everything. My concern for you is that this boat will frustrate the hell out of you and may ruin your boating experience. There is another boat out there for you and I could be wrong but I believe boat prices will be lower tomorrow than today. In the meantime keep searching and educating yourself.
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  12. Norseman

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    As far as buying a used Carver: You may want to read up on a surveyors experience with the brand. (This is from the mid-90s, maybe quality has improved later, but this is still an interesting read)

    "When we first decided to do boat reviews, we pretty much decided that there were certain boat builders that we wouldn't consider. These would mainly be the entry-level class builders, or builders whose products had established such a well known reputation for poor quality and defective products that we needn't state the obvious.

    There are always those folks who can't resist a bargain, or whose philosophy is to always shop and buy based on the lowest price. Sure, we harp on quality a lot, mainly because boats are so very expensive, and to spend $100,000 on the lowest priced boat of its class is just plain nuts. But we've come to realize that there are some people -- many of them, in fact -- who will never realize the error in this. So there's no point in our attempting to dissuade them.

    We also pointed out in our Introduction to Boat Reviews, which many of our readers don't read, and therefore miss the whole point of these reviews being here, that the quality amongst any builder's product line can be highly variable, not only from model to model, but from year to year, or even month to month. We cautioned against simply reading a review of one boat, and then applying the information in that review more or less globally. We cautioned that boats are not cranked out of a machine, but are hand made products. By human hands, that is. So you may want to reflect on the old Russian adage that you never want to buy a refrigerator that is made on a Monday or a Friday. Or anything else, for that matter.

    Carver is one of those builders whom we didn't see much point in mentioning, for the caliber of their products are well known, and a buyer would have to have been asleep for the past twenty years, or simply too lazy to do any research at all, not to know what kind of boats they build. Surveyors have long considered them to be little more than floating campers, and are often heard to make jokes such as "they forgot to put the wheels on this one." "

    https://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/Carver370.htm
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  13. ranger58sb

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    Seems a bit overly harsh. And Pascoe was known for diss'ing some brands for whatever reason, some maybe OK, some maybe just angst.

    There are a bazillions Carvers out there, I'd guess mostly suited for their owners' mission and budget.

    -Chris
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    I've been trying to tip-toe thru this but Quoting Pascoe helps.
    If you can shop a taller price, the payback may be lots more rewarding.
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    I was making calls and planning of dragging that Bertram up to Jax.
    Till my wife shut down the project. Kicking my butt were some of her words during her discussions with (at) me.
    I'm glad she did talk me out of it (I wont tell her that), but I had some fun & wild ideas for a while.
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    Sounds harsh but good info for Carver buyers, new or used.
    (Unless Pascoe made it up, but it appears he is just commenting and taking
    photos of real boats with real problems)

    Hopefully they are better now.
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    Neighbors buddy across that canal told him he had not seen anyone on her in years. From what I've been told by those that took the leap, major projects such as that one would have been, from the financial point don't make sense, but then again when it comes to boats most times it's best for ones health to not look at the dollars. I just tall myself next lifetime I will instead take up hitting little white balls across fancy grass. ;)
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  18. Capt Ralph

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    No, there is no financial sense into any boat much less one that sunk.
    I just know that old Bertram hull is worthy for old pharts that seek out these ole pigs.
    For me, I was going to cut the top/superstructure off and make an express.

    I'm trying to find some OPM now to start on another old Bert 25.
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    I'm always motivated by how it feels when the calendar is cleared & all the BS is left behind as we're running Eastward and with each look back there's less and less of the over built shoreline.
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    I fear there is to much poetry involved in your comment.
    I am at near, at a loss for sure with with your wisdom.
    I think I understand and on the same page, but can you type slower or in red-neck lingo that all could understand??:confused: