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Discussion in 'General Trawler Discussion' started by brian eiland, Aug 2, 2012.

  1. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    I was visiting a marina here in St Augustine the other day where a friend keeps one of his boats. What should i find as I walked down the dock but a Prigram40.

    Brought back a lot of pleasant memories of my love affair with this design, and my efforts to redesign it for a bit more modern production. Alas I am know a land based mortal
  2. REAL MOUNTIE

    REAL MOUNTIE New Member

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    Hello Brian! Glad you have pleasant memories with wonderful design. I am still enjoying this exeptional vessel. I just had it imported in Canada by a commercial captain. He was really impressed. He has a sailboat charter company VSF (Voile Sans Frontière). He enjoyed skipping the Pilgrim 40 experience.
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    If it was DREAM BOAT ANNIE, I just saw her listed for sale around $144,000 in St Augustine
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    brian eiland Senior Member

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    Nice group of photos Mountie. Wish I could have talked my Thai wife into the water lifestyle.
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    brian eiland Senior Member

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    Is this boat design marketable in todays market?.....or too small,...or too slow,...or what???


  6. MBevins

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    There is still a strong market, there's 2 or 3 companies still actively building this style of boat. Ranger, Nordic and American come to immediate mind. Stick the word TUG after each.
  7. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    For some reason I never realized there was a separate 'trawler division ' section on this forum.. This morning I did find these discussions of mine here. I'm going to have to read back thru a number of the others I may have missed in the past.

    One design that caught my attention immediately was this one,..
    https://www.yachtforums.com/review/elling-49-e4.22489/


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    Makes me wonder if this underwater hull shape could be adapted to the Pilgrim vessel ?
    (I had already suggested a new hard chine shape in my steel version)
  8. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    I just did a 'search' for Pilgrim 40 by brian eiland, and did NOT come up with this subject thread? Did I do something wrong, or is the search function on this forum less than adequate?

    Anyway I'm glad to have found this conversation, and particularly since I had made a fairly recent contribution to it (that I had forgotten about,...ah, memory in old age).

    I sure wish I had gotten this redesign project into production, even after having a bad financial experience with going into producing our Firefly trimaran product,...(I learned some lessons).

    I still have a gut feeling that a limited production of this great little canal cruiser/ liveaboard vessel could be a viable project.
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    I did a search and found plenty of threads on the Pilgim 40, all posted by you...

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    REAL MOUNTIE New Member

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    Hello all Pilgrim 40 enthusiasts,
    Please excuse the impersonal nature of this email.
    My good friend Ed Muir have written a book about their journey in finding a Pilgrim 40.
    That book has now been published and is available at Amazon.
    I think that whether you are a current or former owner of a P40, you'll find this story of the boat we all love of interest.

    Please pass this along to anyone you feel might be interested.
    Wishing you all loopers the best,
    Ed Muir

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    https://edmuir.com/
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    I met my new friend on the dock and after exchanging some pleasantries, we boarded his dinghy with my gear bag to head back to the trawler now sitting quietly at anchor in the river. He drove like an old islander he had met long ago, standing upright in the dinghy, holding firmly to the bow line for balance while using a tiller extension to steer. With his Benson captains' hat, he certainly cut a unique figure. All he needed was a pipe and a rain slicker to complete the look.

    We were to spend the next week together on his vessel, sharing experiences and knowledge gained over what I realized was a boating resume of over 100 years combined seasoning! We took turns instructing and learning, moving seamlessly between the roles of teacher and student. He peppered his lessons with oft repeated quotes that I could tell were used for newcomers aboard his boat.

    One of the most poignant for me was:

    "It's not what you see that gets you in trouble, it's what you don't see".

    That set my brain on fire. My first thought was to look at this as a zero-sum game. I reasoned that the more that I am able to see, then the less there must be out there that I can’t see. If that's indeed the case, then how do I have to do to "see" more and thus reduce my risk? It's easy to answer that as it relates to boating... use look-outs, pay attention, radar, read the weather, understand navigational markers and lights, etc.

    But since I stretched this admonition to a life lesson, I started asking myself these kinds of questions: what can I do to really see more; how do I open my eyes, become more observant, more curious, more insightful, more in-tuned with all that is happening around me; how do I see around the corner, physically and temporally; how do I begin to really see things that I would have otherwise missed?

    Before even attempting to answer those questions, I laughed as I thought about Mark Twain's twist on this advice: "It's not what we don't know that gets us in trouble. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so".

    I was brought back to earth with Henry David Thoreau's:

    "It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see."

    And then Marcel Proust's version challenged me deeper:

    "The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeing new sights, but in looking with new eyes".

    During an airplane ride to quietly think about it, here's what I came up with as some answers:

    1. Be aware of your instincts, and trust them.

    2. Ask questions. Listen actively. Then ask more questions.

    3. Ask questions of yourself and keep asking until you feel like you have a better understanding or awareness.

    4. Pay more attention to others, what they are doing, what they are saying, what they are not saying, their body language.

    5. Use all five of your senses to "see" more.

    6. Take notes, read over them, then ask "what's missing" and go find the answers.

    7. Get rid of distractions; put down your phone. It hinders you from being present.

    8. Slow down... don't rush through things.

    OK, just a handful of ideas. I think my captain friend would be good with that. When I called him recently, he told me simply that he was still admiring the scenery sitting in paradise. I smiled thinking that it must just be easier to see more there.
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    Were anchored in Doctors Lake, south of Jax. A past customers Pilgrim 40 is just s/w of us. I luved tinkering on that boat.

    No threats (or many) in paradise. Wish I was with your friend and hopes he likes kats.

    Been anchored out a whole day now. Wife and kats have settled down.
    My big gripe of the day; the rain I was looking forward to (cheap rinse) that by-passed us.
    Were heading to a fuel dock tomorrow, out Mayport Friday and start a leap froging down the FL east coast.
    Trying to admire our salt water paradise before our return home in a month (hopefully more),,,,, and figure how to pay for it.
    Boating is wonderful in 30 day (billing cycle) spurts....

    I'm posting this thread because I luv those P-40s and were towing our Mako 17.
    Slowed down to 8 kts, don't have to be back in 2 weeks and almost (almost) feel like a trawler now.
    Now everybody here is my friend and I trust they will not use 8 kts against me. Yep, @ 8 kts, my friends P40 could out run me.
    Or,,, I'll have to call out my friend; Achmed, to fix you... ☺
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