Discussion in 'General Trawler Discussion' started by brian eiland, Aug 2, 2012.
Help please. What is this vessel? I had a photo of it but I just can't remember what it is
This is a vintage Tug, the hull looks like a "Lord Nelson Tug" but the pilot house is square not round. up till 1980's many tug-like trawlers had round sterns. I guess the forum's historians will get it spot on.
It looks like a 40' Pilgrim.
1986 Pilgrim Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
That's it,...couldn't for the life of me remember that name. I believe they were a production boat,...built in Canada?
Some Pilgrims were built in Canada, others in Mexico. I'll leave it to your imagination to decide which might have been better constructed
Actually it turns out that all of the 40's were built in Canada, and the newer 43's were built in Mexico
This is the most recent website I've been given for the owners group.
Pilgrim Trawler Yachts - PILGRIM Trawlers
Here is their history
History - PILGRIM Trawlers
Even though their 43 is much larger inside, I'm more drawn to the looks of the 40.
(and in my reading thru their site thus far I've not found any more complaints about the boats built in Mexico, thus far)
I'm drawn back to this design as a smaller version
....of this canal boat I posted over here.
Are nostalgic looks viable in todays market?...or am I just getting too old?
I keep coming back to this Pilgrim 40 design.
I even went so far as to compare it with the old Trumpy-Mathis houseboats.
Is nostalgia marketable, or is it just older eyes? I get the impression that a lot of Americans are reaching back to older more glorious days. I feel really lucky to have grown up in a 'golden age'.
I see where there have been a significant number of visitors to this subject thread, yet very few replies/contributions ??
I just keep getting drawn back to this design as a great liveaboard, economical, slow paced exploring vessel for a retired couple. Maybe there are not enough of those people out there looking for such a vessel now?
I'm going up to my first trawler show this week in Baltimore (Trawler Fest) and do a little more 'researching'
Interesting perspective on selecting a trawler design among all the various ones out there
Little Darlin' - Pilgrim 40
"...the very last boat we chanced upon was a Pilgrim tug named "Salty Dawg." As soon as we came on board, it was quite obvious that this Pilgrim was quickly capturing our imagination and, above all other boats at the event (new or used), this was the one we could see ourselves cruising in."
I sold this boat on behalf of a previous owner. They poured $a ton.00 in boatbucks to make the boat right. Then they added another $ton in very tasteful nautical fluff and puff. They could have kicked themselves in hindsight on selling day, and the boat at that point needed a lot of mechanical catch-up and upgrades, but a great "character boat."
Judy, are you saying you sold this vessel?
Hull 30 Sea Bear II - PILGRIM Trawlers
These are some photos of the rebuild of that vessel by the 'Little Darling' owners:
I was referring to Salty Dawg. In reference to another thread, I sold the owners (sellers) a Great Harbour 37 for a live-aboard winter home on the west coast of Fl. and her name is Salty Dawg Too. Their real trawler is cruising the Med.
I had forgotten all about this subject thread,...and I see here that you participated as well Judy
There is a very nostalgic look to this design, and it is VERY live-aboard friendly with its layout. I've lived aboard two different boats on two occasions in my lifetime, and now I'm considering it again, But at my age (70 now) I've come to appreciate certain comforts I would like to have on a vessel. This 40 footer appears to have a nice size galley, a more roomy than most head/shower, a nice saloon/living room, and a very nice covered aft deck.
It reminds me of an older Elco or ACF that I once sought to buy for living aboard back in my college days.,....or even of the Trumpy/Mathis houseboats,...or of a few European canal boats that I've also admired
It has a single 6-cyl diesel engine for power. I've always considered the in-line 6-cyl engine the BEST configuration for a 4-cycle engine. Some of them will run forever as they are inherently the best balanced, and they can give excellent economy.
I just missed buying one of these vessels this past Sept that I thought was in very good condition. Then again I missed a really good buy on one up in Boston several months ago. Turns out there were only about 40 of these vessels built between 1983 & 1989. And even while there have been numbers of inquires as to if any more will ever be built, there appears to be no plans for the production to be resurrected.
So my thought processes turned to; ….what would it cost to build such a vessel,....what would I change if I were to build such a vessel,...are there like-minded individuals out there that would be interested in owning such a vessel, etc??
This exercise in 'Redesigning the Pilgrim 40' may turn out to just be a mental exercise. It may never happen in reality, but it will be an interesting mental project.
Let me correct an impression some of you have about this 'redesign' I have in mind, before things venture off into never-never land.
I like the looks of this vessel VERY much just as it is. I am NOT proposing to change the looks of this vessel's topsides/superstructure.
Some of the changes I want to look at are:
1) the construction method and materials
2) possibly a minor length increase to expand the owner's stateroom
3) an adherence to the KISS principle for onboard systems
If you look back thru the evolution of this vessel design you will find a number of changes that were made to the original design over the short span of its production. One most notable one was a change in the layout of the galley and the head arrangements. I think it was a good change. There was also a transom door added on later models....good option.
I want to study the details of this vessel design in more detail, and make subtle changes where deemed advisable.
Again I emphasis I am not looking to 'modernize' the vessel in the looks department. It pushes all of the right buttons for me there.
....look inside this book
Larger version, 60', of Pilgrim 40
Don't think this Craigslist ad will stay active for long, so I will post the ad here and copy the text and photos.
Here are a few photos from a PDF I recently received,..
This vessel is for sale, and I would be buying it if I had the money,...great liveaboard/cruising