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The Next America's Cup in Multihulls

Discussion in 'General Sailing Discussion' started by brian eiland, Jun 19, 2009.

  1. AMG

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    A Swedish team, KSSS with Artemis Racing will be one of the Challengers in 2013 America's Cup.
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    brian eiland Senior Member

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    It's amazing how they've developed a paint technology to actually draw course markings on the water...









    :D
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    Safety Boat?

    You would think that the "safety boat" (or call it something else) would have a "re-boarding device" and better method of rescuing the swimming crewmen. It seems rather primative the way they :eek: handled it. Cheers, Richard.
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    Safe boarding :confused:

    Boy isn't that the truth, hardly a very safe boarding. What if the guy in the water was injured?
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    Hi,

    He wouldn't be much good for the next race so leave him there.:D
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    If you look closer at those races and the amount of money involved in this business, you will find out how desperate and brutal these "sports" really are.

    I believe KIWI is right. As soon as those guys were thrown overboard, they were wiped off the crew list.

    From the seamanship point of view, pulling a victim out of the water like this, at first between the propellers of those outboards (even if stopped) and second pulling somebody out of the water after such a happening, without knowing his possible injuries, is raising at least some questions.

    BTW who said that? Professional sports are like war and you have to expect losses. :cool:
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    America’s Cup: What you may not know about the AC72

    ...from Scuttlebutt

    By John Longley, 1983 America’s Cup winner
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    After spending a week in San Francisco and having the opportunity to talk to a number of people who have actually sailed the extraordinary AC72s, I have gathered a bit of AC72 trivia to share…

    * If you had an engine to power the hydraulics rather than grinders, you could sail the AC72s with 4 people rather than the crew of 11 they now sail with.

    * There is really only one trimmer on board and he controls the wing. The helmsman controls the cant and rake of the board with buttons on a control pad in front of him but only has 3 seconds of stored power before he has to “throw bananas” into the grinding pit i.e. ask for more hydraulic power.

    * They have seen 47 knots as the top speed so far but expect to see the 50 knot barrier broken in the Cup match.

    * The boats go directly downwind 1.8 times faster than the wind. So if you let a balloon go as you went around the top mark you would easily beat it to the bottom mark.

    * There is only 4 degrees difference to the apparent wind from going on the wind to running as deep as you can.

    * If you lost the hydraulics while the boats were foiling they would be completely uncontrollable and would most likely capsize.

    * It is faster to find the strongest adverse current going downwind because the stronger apparent that is then generated translates into more speed than if you were sailing in slack water. (Warning – this takes a bit to get your head around)

    * When sailing downwind you look for the puffs in front of you not behind you.

    * It is actually quite dry on the boats, unless you make a mistake and come off the foils, as you are flying a couple of metres above the water. Waves have almost no impact on the boat when foiling.

    * In strong wind you carry negative camber at the top of the wing to “reef” or de-power the wing.

    * All crew carry personal tackle so they can effectively rappel down the netting if the boat capsizes.

    * Gennakers are only used below about 8 knots; the jibs only provide about 3% of the lift up wind.

    * The foil on the rudder generates about 800 kg of lift with the rest coming from the center board foil to lift the 7 ton yachts clear of the water.

    * The centre board foil’s tip comes out of the water so it effectively works like a governor on an engine i.e. as the board generates too much vertical lift it comes out of the water, the area is thus reduced so it goes back down etc until it finds equilibrium.
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    There's some good facts there Brian, the last one had me stumped the other day when watching. Also in the good old days you would get out of the current as much as possible, that's also another great... head spinning fact. I would love to know/find out how much power (%) the jib actually makes in the overall package...? heard anything on that front?

    I think if the boats were all one design the viewers would see a lot closer race, or the measurements tighten up some what. The 45' was great racing as the boats were so evenly matched. But the L/V Cup was a little waste of time as the Kiwi's ripped up. I think remove the foils and keep the hulls wet might make it tighter racing. Cheers

    Far
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    I think you are right, the foiling thing was just too big of a jump along with the 72' size increase.

    And in this day of tightened budgets it made it too hard for multiple players that would have been more exciting.

    Even me as a long time multihull enthuses lost interest in this one-sided 'racing'.
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    Oracle USA pulled the provisional card on the next race, race 6, Postponing the rest of the racing for today after they got slammed in race 5.
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    Oracle team Auswi (can't call it team USA as they are lead by a kiwi, skippered by an Aussie and crewed by non American except for one) took a serious beating today, it was painful to watch... What we they thinking?
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    They actually have real competition for a change and experimenting in a race is real dumb, they may as well give up now and save the $$ and embarrassment.
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    To this casual observer it certainly looks like the Oracle crew got their clocks cleaned. Based on the results so far, the two race penalty doesn't look like it will be a factor. The NZ boat and crew are just better.
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    That tack around the bottom mark would of been spot on in a mono, but doing it in a cat... hopes and dreams! Plus they were playing in the tide to much.... Might need to give the tachtion a good back hand (JK)...? Cheers

    Far
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    America's Cup: Oracle and Team NZ designers reveal AC72 secrets

    ...good article and video link at the end...


    For the past few weeks two designers from Oracle Team USA and Emirates Team New Zealand have been giving an almost two hour presentation in various venues around New Zealand, as part of the Institution of Professional Engineers NZ centenary celebrations.

    Sail-World.com : America's Cup: Oracle and Team NZ designers reveal AC72 secrets