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The Love of Classic Yachts (or knot)...

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by olderboater, Oct 25, 2017.

  1. drcoastline

    drcoastline New Member

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    Oldboater-

    I really do wish I could agree with you on those cars but I just don't see it. The cars from that era that are going to be collectable already are. Porsche 911, Buick Grand National, Ferrari 250GTO,308, F40, Porsche 959, Audi Quatrro/GT. Honorable mentions would be the RX-7, Toyota Supra, VW GTI, Delorean
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    Isn't the Glastron Carlson and Glastron GT-150 the same boat?
  3. olderboater

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    No, the Carlson's I'm referring to were larger and jets although they had a CT-15 which was definitely high performance outboard.

    http://www.classicglastron.com/gl-carlson-index-web.html

    Now the GT-150 was used in Live and Let Die. Carlson's were used in some other Bond movies. Obviously Glastron and Bond had a deal. For Live and Let Die, there were 26 GT-150's used.

    Well, we don't know about which cars years from now. Some of the cars I mentioned have already become popular with collectors but the prices haven't risen as much yet as I think they might. The problem is most of these had rather high production so it takes some time for them to become rare.

    I'm not sure some of the cars that are still produced have much of a chance until the production stops. Then there's Delorean. I really don't know what to think of it. Everyone I've ever seen looked like junk. Perhaps some nicely preserved or redone well might have value.
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    I'm confused just a bit. This is a Trumpy forum. For those who appreciate the brand. At least that's what I thought.
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  5. Ken Bracewell

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    I was thinking the same thing, although I really do appreciate the discussion. Perhaps the thread should be split off where it started to come off the tracks.

    I'm one of those guys who just appreciates the beauty (styling and construction) of older things. Most of my cars are older than I am (one, by decades) and the only boats I've ever owned pre-dated me as well.
  6. YachtForums

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    Done! New thread is in the General Discussion forum.
  7. olderboater

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    No it isn't. Look at the title. Aha, blame Carl.
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    Throw me under the bus! :D

    Edit: This has been a really enjoyable discussion to follow. For the most part, I usually agree with OB, but definitely feel a divergence on this subject. I honestly wish I wasn't emotionally moved by certain boats. Spent so many years loving on them. Shoulda been using 'em!
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  9. Kevin

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    Contemporary objects (boats, cars, etc) are generally designed to "optimize" their characteristics. Be it energy efficiency, use of space, ease of construction, performance, etc. Nobody these days designs something just for the sake of design.

    Old things have characters.... new things are soulless.
  10. Fishtigua

    Fishtigua Senior Member

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    My late Dad was well known as one of the finest restorer of classic wooden yachts. Herreshoffs. Camper Nicholson, Fifes; heck you name it.

    All these beautiful craft were rebuilt with great love and an eye for detail only decades of experience gives you. He designed and built his own successful line of boats too.

    His taste in cars, sadly, was bloody awful. He never understood the love my Mum, brothers and I showered on them or saw any of the thrill.

    Horses for courses, I guess.
  11. olderboater

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    Old things were designed for the very same reasons. They weren't classics or old when new. Weren't collectible, just usable.
  12. AMG

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    Sure, like a Riva Ariston or an AC Cobra... ;-)
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    I'm not saying everything old was meant to be collectible... but older things still had more style.They weren't designed with a computer that can literally optimize every last millimeter. Fifty years ago a product had to be drawn by a person. There was no software to nip and tuck each individual component into oblivion.

    Back then even mass produced cars has a style... today the typical mid-sized sedan/coupe is virtually indistinguishable from 20 other mid-sized sedans/coupes from manufacturers across the globe. You can simply replace the grille on most cars and it could be any one of half a dozen other cars.

    Tell me which of these is the original concept?

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  14. Bill106

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    I too have been following this one and love reading every post. drcoastline, most eloquently described his passion and while some may not be as completely infected by the sickness that is all things boating, I suspect we all are to some degree. It happened to me when I was about five, my dad bought one of the last two Richardsons in the plant when they went under and we finished it out ourselves. I still remember hating all that varnish and always complaining every year when we stripped, recaulked and revarnished every inch above the waterline but what I wouldn't give now to have her again!

    Over the decades since I've rebuilt/refinished so many more classics, from Connie's, S&S's, Herreshoffs, Burgers and Trumpy's to runabouts and I agree, every one had a soul or personality you could feel after a while. I've also done extensive work on many newer boats and maybe it's just human nature to ascribe animate traits to inanimate objects but I've often felt even those have personalities too. Maybe it was only after hours of struggling with a ornery fitting in a tight place with a lot of choice language but you sometimes feel like they are communicating :rolleyes:. Even the new cold-molded boats I build now seem to have personalities but maybe that's only because of the time I spend on each one, a couple of years from laying a keel to watching her go down the creek with a new owner at the helm still feels like watching your child get on the school bus for the first time!
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    Now you've hit the big arguing point. Style. Style is a very subjective thing. I'm not saying the things you like and treasure as classics don't have style. However, I like the style of many things today. It's a bit like debates of whether a new boat is beautiful or ugly. All a matter of taste. I think many of the boats of today have style. Some are sleek. Some have smooth lines. Some have angles. Now, I can't tell you how I will feel about then in 20 or 30 years. I think the Checkmate's and Baja's of my childhood and Cigarettes and Fountains and Hustlers had style. I'm not a sportfisherman, but think some of the SF's are beautiful. Many very good custom AC builders. I think Lurssen's Skat has style while I'm sure many think it's the ugliest boat ever. Who knows how history will treat it. I think many Riva's are very stylish today. I look at the boats they were designed to imitate and I like today's versions styling better.

    What about the Delta 88? Very unique style carbon fiber. What about Venus?

    I think if they don't resume significant yacht production or if they change their styling then some of the Burgers will become sought after boats. Top Times is a beautiful boat to me. What about Feadship's Sea Owl? I think there will be some collectors of some Palmer Johnson's in another couple of decades.

    Now, I can see that those of today's generation might value the technology of yachts in looking back where those of a prior age valued the woodworking.

    I just don't believe style is confined to any generation or that any lacks it. I think it's ever evolving.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have no argument with anyone who says the Trumpy or any other boat of it's vintage is beautiful. However, I think some of today's boats are beautiful.

    Now, we don't own any boat that will ever be a classic as ours are all production models and none of them are year one of any model. If we ever build a custom boat, I doubt it will be either as we are not trendsetters and we tend to follow proven designs.
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    Not sayin' all new boats look the same but......

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    I think I must post a picture of my oldest boat, from 1931, to save this thread...

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  18. Fishtigua

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    :)
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    Top Times IS timeless. I bet you're right on the later model PJs too.
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    We chartered Top Times once. It was before we purchased a boat in that size range and it was our test to see if it was possible for us to be happy with a slow boat. Very nice, beautiful, comfortable boat. However, we got the answer to our question too and after a week of going slow we knew that aspect just wasn't for us. However, the fine workmanship was evident everywhere. It was 8 to 9 years old at the time and most definitely didn't show it's age.