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Recommendations for a 55’ - 65’ express cruising boat

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Nep6012, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. Capt J

    Capt J Senior Member

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    I've managed a 2007 62' predator since 2011 with MAN 1100's. Aside from the hour meter boards needing replacement and a few sensors, the engines have been flawless. They run great and are a perfect fit in that boat IMO. I am not a huge fan of Multiple Trouble Units and their myriad of sensor issues.

    I delivered a brand new 55' Uniesse with Arnesons around 2014 1000 nm's. In anything over 1' or 2', we had to back it down to 24 knots from 34 knots. It pounded like crazy and the COG was way off. The build quality was way off also, we had an AMAZING amount of issues. Literally, every single day we had a major issue pop up...….VIP flooded with hot water from a 90 degree fitting you couldn't access...… raining hyldraulic fluid in the other stateroom because they used screws on the joinery that had 1" of the tip sticking out past the wood it was secured to, and unsecured Arneson steering high pressure hoses rubbing on it. Fresh water leak. A Flap that was stuck down because they used crappy hose they knew was a bad batch. We had to take the hose off and swap it with the pressure side to get down there. A major freshwater leak, tranny filter broke the plate above the gear it was mounted to and wore a hole through it, electrical issues, finish issues. on and on.
  2. Liam

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    2012-14 was not a great year for boat building in Italy thanks to a certain Monti.
    I ran a shaft driven in two meter waves no problem and all.
    You are always very unlucky with Italian boats, guess I am always on your opposite and very lucky.

    The Uniesse 57 that is also a great boat, possibly one of the best head seas boat I ever ridden.

    We never change the boards here of the hour meters, we send them to Man in Germany and they send them back. Usually happens at around the 400 hour mark.
    If guarantee is over they cost about 2k a pop including shipping.
  3. PacBlue

    PacBlue Senior Member

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    Or Fred Hudson? From the Uniesse webste, giving credit where credit is due:

    Fred Hudson
    We owe our legendary designs to American designer, Fred Hudson, a long time partner of high performance boat designer Jim Wynne. Fred's career in the marine industry began with Chris-Craft back in 1960, where he was responsible for the design of their highly successful 38' Commander. It was a first for its time, as the original entry into the fiberglass cruiser market. The boat was considered a "design marvel", and helped propel the global yachting market to what it has become today. Fred's career spanned 50 years, and included work at Hatteras Yachts, Bertram Yacht, and several others. Uniesse' clean lines, efficient hulls, and timeless beauty are all credit to Fred.
  4. olderboater

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    I own 2 and sort of take care of 4 Italian boats and have been extremely pleased with them. I think labelling a country is just wrong and one needs to look at the specific builder and even the time period.
  5. Liam

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    Fred Hudson was the stylistic designer of Uniesse (he did the lines the interior), with Walt Walters doing the hulls (the one who did the designs of Jim Wynn of Magnum marine fame).
    I gave a tip about Uniesse thats not find in the catalogs or brochures.

    Before Uniesse Fred Hudson also designed the Hudson and Ricci line, the motor boat brand of Cantiere dell Pardo Grande Soleil which produced a 40 and later a 54 from 1987 till 1995.
  6. PacBlue

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    Fred had a good run on the Phoenix boat designs built in the states.

    Not so sure about the Magnum - Walters connection: https://www.boatingmag.com/boats/history-go-fast-boats

    "Aronow sold Formula to Thunderbird during this era and started a new company called Donzi. Then he sold Donzi and started Magnum Marine, where he teamed with designer Harry Schoell. To insiders, Magnums were game-changers.

    “The defining boat,” says Allan Brown, a veteran racer, “was the 28 Magnum designed by Harry Schoell.” Aronow cut it down and sold it as the 27 Magnum, but to “Brownie” and others, the hull lived on through hundreds of copies."
  7. Nep6012

    Nep6012 New Member

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    How about a 2011 Sessa C54 ?
  8. Capt J

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    Stick to the mainstream brands...….
  9. Nep6012

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    Boarding was a big problem in our last boat. Our dogs are very small (5 and 10 lbs) so we usually carry them on board which makes easy boarding at a fixed dock even more important.
  10. Nep6012

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    We looked at Sunseeker Predators yesterday, 2007 62 and a 2011 64. 64 seemed like a much bigger boat (more than just 2 ft). Interior layouts on both were nice.

    How long does it take to get used to the small vertical windshield profile?.... that thing is steep. Aft visibility was OK but not great.

    Both boats had some annoying little things, although none of which are show stoppers. A few in particular: the DC breakers were on the helm console about 6 inches above the sole, with about 18 inches between the console wall and the helm seat. To look at the panel, you have to get on your hands and knees between the helm seat and the console and turn your head sideways. Another was the steep engine room steps with no grab rail - ok at the dock but I would hate to have to get down there in an emergency offshore with the boat rocking. Also, this boat had no Marquipt step so the only boarding option was to jump down onto the swim platform, about a 3 ft leap. Somehow, my wife got on the boat but we almost could not get her off. At least that one can be easily solved.

    I'm sure there are more "features" to be found if I looked longer. Anyway, enough griping. Every boats has it's trade-off so I wouldn't rule it out due to little stuff. Going to look at a 52 in a few days.
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    It s not as easy to install stairs as these boats are all rounded shapes and bulges. Plus the stairs are very heavy and hard to set up unless you have a good surface to stand on.
  12. Capt J

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    On the 62’, I grab the sliding door handle when coming out of the engine room. The breaker panel under the helm seat is a pain, but accessible enough. The 62’ is the best running express 50-70’ I have ever run, and I run 150 different yachts a year. I’ve had her in a 10-12’ beam sea and comfortable enough and doing 21 knots. You do get used to the windshield.

    I have had marquip make a single step that you attach on the outside of the boat and that works well on a lot of yachts, without dragging the heavy stairs around.
  13. TwiceBurned

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    Under NO circumstances buy a Uniesse. They are poorly built and there is zero help from the owners of the company. I owned a 55 fly bridge and finally unloaded it.
  14. Nep6012

    Nep6012 New Member

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    Just saw this and realized I never posted the final outcome of my search. I purchased a 2009 Sunseeker 60 Manhattan. The layout is very open. It has excellent visibility from the lower helm and a lot of room in the salon area. It's also a very good running boat. Overall, very pleased with the boat and glad I bought the Manhattan instead of the Predator.

    Also, Sunseeker support via email has been exceptional.

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