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Radical New Propeller Design... Sharrow?

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  1. PacBlue

    PacBlue Senior Member

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    Here's a nice pic of the Viking 64 SF that Veem uses for product development in Australia:

    [​IMG]
  2. Capt Ralph

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    Are those big loopie thingies still called blades?
    My eyes go in weird directions while trying to follow the water flow against the thingy surfaces.

    I think I have some of it figured out.
    Is there an official Theory of Operation from the designer or companies yet?
  3. PacBlue

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    Like most things, innovation tends to come from the outside of the main industry.

    In this case, the key technology was derived from trying to quiet all those noisy drones which spun up their blade tip velocities to that typical shrieking level.

    By addressing the propeller blade tip geometry in order to reduce the shedding along the tip vortices, they have found the magic formula.
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  4. rtrafford

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    That's displaying a considerable shaft-length-extension, or it's a very clever hub assembly....
  5. gr8trn

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    I don't see the image or a link.
    Glad to see you back here @PacBlue :)
  6. Capt Ralph

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    Notice the angle the thingies are attached to the hub in post #1.
    Now check out this mount in the picture from post #61.
    Borrowing Carl's diagram from post #4, I'm pointing to areas 132 & 134.
    Sharrow-Circle_propeller-diagram1a.png
    Compression of the water straight out (sideways) or mounted this way for strength and sacrificing some aft thrust?
  7. leeky

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    I don't see the image, either. All I see is: [​IMG]
  8. boatpoor

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    Looks like they're using a Ring Fedder to hold it on the shaft. Corrosion could make for a difficult removal if that's the case. That's a keyless fit and it works really well in the industry and never slips under tons of torque but you have to loosen lots of bolts to remove it.
  9. Capt Ralph

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    So that is a square and not a tapered shaft??
    I thought that was a fancy PropSmith.
  10. DOCKMASTER

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    So these props don't fit a standard shaft taper? Meaning for a retrofit you are looking at not only the cost of the props but new shafts as well?
  11. Capt Ralph

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    Not sure, that is what I was asking.
    However; For testing and development, what we see here may not be the final design, including the shaft mounting requirements.
  12. rtrafford

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    I'd wager that considering the cost of the props, the shaft modifications would be a rounding error in the financial calculus.
  13. PacBlue

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    While I can sympathize with the cost of the props, shafts and any re-engineering, in relationship with the costs of current add-ons in the SF world, it really doesn't seem like much:

    360 degree Omni sonar over $100K, Cockpit/Mezzanine/Fybridge AC, etc. ,

    For my tastes, $$$ spent on propulsion are the best investment as they work for you on every single rpm, that's a good ROI for a powerboater.

    Sorry about the missing picture, if you search for Veem Sharrow 64 Viking SF you will find images of the propeller installation.
  14. rtrafford

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    This test is rather interesting to me...specifically looking at the performance comp at hull speed...Neptunus
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    This is the pic PacBlue was referencing for the 64 Viking SF on Boat Test. Not to detract from Sharrow, but the reviews on Boat Test are PAID reviews.

    [​IMG]
  16. Capt Ralph

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    Well scratch my concerns from my post #66.
    The thingies are mounted on the hub at a nice angle.

    Wish I could zoom in better, may be shaft nuts holding that stb wheel on.
  17. boatpoor

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    Ring Fedders are keyless on a straight shaft. They rely 100% on friction to lock in place and they work really well. I'm not at all familiar with Sharrow propellers but the picture PacBlue posted shows a ring of bolts identical to a Ring Fedder. They add quite a bit of weight to the application which would concern me being that far aft of the strut.
  18. DOCKMASTER

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    Is it just an illusion or is there very little blade clearance in those tunnels?
  19. Capt Ralph

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    Identical of some other removal / install tools also.
    Carls pic was just to fuzzy for me to zoom in on but it doesn't not look like machine screw heads on that stb shaft.