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Radical New Propeller Design... Sharrow?

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by cleanslate, Oct 23, 2019.

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  1. chesapeake46

    chesapeake46 Senior Member

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    I would happily extend the use of my vessel for Sharrow testing.
    With me at the helm, of course.
    46 ft, 48000 lbs, inboards.
    Think they'd be interested ?
  2. d_meister

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    Assuming your area of operation is the Pacific Northwest, it may be a good idea to investigate repairability of the Sharrow props. Anyone know?
    Despite a very cautious watch, I've encountered barely visible and sub-surface objects in the Salish Sea. Logs are abundant, for those unfamiliar with the area.
    Besides that, it may be a good idea to get a second opinion on the vibration. Also, if you post a new thread defining the problem, year/model of the boat, and detailed repair efforts, there will likely be some assistance from members on this forum.
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  3. GPO

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    I do operate in the PNW. Despite my best efforts, I too have "touched" subsurface wood, which barely and briefly surfaced in my wake! You raise a good point, I'm also wondering about repairability. It's a complex design. It's early days in my due diligence, so we'll see.

    The vibration is very slight, but I am a perfectionist. I doubt anyone else would think anything out of the ordinary is occurring. Have had assistance from experts very familiar with the build and power train, hence the work that's been done thus far. So, I think I'm good, thanks.

    Props likely the only remaining component to check. I've just had them tuned (after recently hitting something submerged) but haven't yet had an opportunity to sea trial them. Problem may be solved.
  4. Norseman

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    Bingo..
    Me too, I have taken boats apart to chase down vibrations and have had props tuned over and over again to get the best efficiency and the least vibration.
    Glad I am not the only one..:cool:
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  5. mapism

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    "Very slight" is of course a bit subjective, but FWIW I've yet to come across any powerboat which I would describe as having no very slight vibrations at all.
    Even with the engines off and only the genset running! :)
  6. Capt Ralph

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    My slight vibration took a whole new shaft to remove.
    The more you leaned (Load, RPM, HP, Hull speed) on it, the more the cork-screw distorted, the more the boat shook.
    Since we fast idled mostly, not a deal.
    Last fall we replaced that stb shaft finally. WoWa, smooth to the pins.
  7. Capt J

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    Your vibration comes from inadequate blade tip clearance. Sharrow props would only exasperate that, if they work any better than VEEMs to begin with, which is questionable at best.
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    I'd really like to know how you arrived at this conclusion? Toroidal propellers virtually eliminate tip vortices, thus reducing interactions between blade tips and adjacent surfaces…

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  9. GPO

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    There's a video of Greg Sharrow speaking at the NMPA convention in November 2022. More tip vortices video and some graphs of test data:



    If the content can be taken at face value , the Sharrow prop performance comparison he described was a fair one.
  10. Capt J

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    More blade area in a tunnel that's a tad too small.
  11. OPG

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    Regarding repairs, I noticed this:

    Any Sharrow prop that is damaged “during normal operational use” in the first year of ownership, will be repaired or replaced by Sharrow Marine at no cost to the owner. This is part of the “Sharrow Care Protection Plan,” another thing that sets Sharrow Marine apart from any other prop maker. According to the company, if you accidentally run aground and damage a Sharrow prop, it will be repaired by a certified repair shop or replaced by Sharrow Marine. Customers can even extend their Sharrow Care Protection Plan beyond the first year, for up to 5 years of protection.
  12. Capt Bill11

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    I turned a friend of mine on to these props and he put them on the 42’ Freeman with quad Mercs he has as a tender.

    So far he’s very pleased with the results and they perform as advertised.
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  13. Norseman

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    I am also impressed with the performance, the technology and especially the noise level going down.
    I would buy a $5k prop, but Mama should not know about it, she has no understanding of the finer things in life.:cool:
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    They are keeping it close to the vest, as each application will be specific and there probably won't be an off the shelf solutions for a number of years. Lower vibrations (especially at trolling speeds) and more maneuverability may be a SF dream solution.

    From Veem:

    "The rollout of these will initially be carefully managed to ensure we are getting all aspects of the design and manufacture right, which will ensure the ongoing optimization of the design database,” said Mark Miocevich, VEEM Managing Director."
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    The Sharrow hub seems to be much longer that a standard Veem or other wheel. I wonder if the extra length will increase efforts on the tip of the shaft.
  18. cleanslate

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    Lol, I had to look . Who the heck started this post ? I forgot. Was I. Had to re-read my post to refresh my memory. Yup, that’s the guy or guys I met. Makes sense using Viking due to their close proximity to Philadelphia and the popularity of Vikings. That being said, I just bought brand new Michigan Dyna quads for my old vessel . More in my lane $. I must say, lucky me , I love them . Problems solved , things are nice and smooth throughout my rpm range. Never had new factory props on my old Ocean before. Was time to bite the bullet and start with a new base line . Glad I did.

    So, again. Anyone on here purchase and run the Sharrow props ?
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  19. rtrafford

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    I'm in the cue for the props, but I'm "the other guy". I'm looking at shaving vibration and driving engine efficiency at hull speed. I'll remain in cue and monitor as their information develops.

    I moved from a 32x30 4 blade to a pair of 5 blade Veems. Well, modified Veems. I didn't care for the plastic cup strip more the sharp point of the blades, so when I found a set of highly discounted props, I had them taken to the shop and modified to infill the grooves and repattern the tips. The result has been tremendous with much less vibration and better efficiency. However I look at these Sharrow and wonder if indeed a slower RPM can achieve the hull speed to the tune of a 20% fuel reduction, as that savings adds considerable range to the capabilities.

    Certainly there is some concern regarding impacts, repairs, repair-delays, overall market support for mid repairs...but the concept is intriguing enough to follow the music and see where it leads.
  20. rtrafford

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    Didn't the presentation state "same blade area" moving higher quantity of water without the vortices? Am I missing something?