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Proteksan & Turquoise Superyacht "Yogi" Sinks!

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  1. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

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    I don't recall if anybody noted if this was the regular full time crew, ship yard crew or just deliver crew (contracted by the ship yard). It was warranty paint repair at the yard.
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    Hi, As the yacht had been delivered last year I would be very surprised if the yard had crewed her up, that said I would also be surprised if the Turkish yard had supplied a French Crew for the French Flag vessel - It's the EU , any EU National can work anywhere in the EU.

    The statement about a warranty paint repair is about as vague as to actual work carried out as the old adage "How long is a piece of string"
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  3. Pelagic Dreams

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    I guess from reading the various posts, that it seemed that some of the critical duty watch areas might not have been manned. Either from oversight, or lack of man power. It would seem that a crew that included Navy veterans who are trained and re trained in emergency action would have been able to save the ship. Running without the compartment water tight doors secured would be a huge oversight that I would think highly trained mariners would not have tolerated.
    Without knowing all the details of the sinking it is difficult to really know the chain of events that cascaded into the loss of the ship. I was just saying that I doubt that a similar sized naval vessel would not have been lost given the same circumstances.
  4. K1W1

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    Hi,

    Pelagic Dreams, I have worked with a lot of ex RN and USN People over the years.

    Their general attitude to working on a white boat is often so bad they are as much use as a chocolate fire-guard, until the true causes come to light I would politely suggest you refrain from any slagging off of the crew either by their previous occupations or nationalities.
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    I don't know if anybody had mentioned a collision before. MYSUE hay have another interesting angle there. I have seen results of collisions with containers before, like icebergs, not pretty.
    In ugly seas, the pilot may not have seen anything. Then a hit and a even a trained crew checking holds and compartments may not have identified a bad collision until their sox got wet.
    Running gear damage, motor pushed a little, exhaust fittings coming loose, flooding in more than one hold. Then even more speculated problems; windows, hatches, yada, yada.

    Like that downed Bertram about a year ago, we may never know. We had real good speculation & comments though.
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    Hi,

    The boat was on a delivery voyage where do you get the idea it was carrying a pilot?

    This is no doubt what caused it's demise, what caused the flooding is the 50 Million Euro Question.
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    Wrong words again? What is the correct term for the boat driver? Helms-man?
    My example was that this person and the other people possibly around him looking forward, may not have seen anything in the water during the bad weather.
    My example also suggested what could cause the flooding. Domino effect resulting from colliding with an unseen object.
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    I am not saying anyone is at fault, since I stated the true causes are not even known. What I am asking is how to compare mega yacht crew with highly trained naval crewmen. And the supposition would be that no matter what ship you are serving on, either military or pleasure, there are standards of watch and safety.
    Nationalities....where in any of my posts did I mention anyone's port of call? We don't even know if the eight aboard were "crew" or maintainence people.
  9. Capt J

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    I've seen many tug boat and other commercial Captains come and go in the yachting industry. Many of the systems on a yacht they have never seen before (such as stabilizers, or had to do things their engineer did). They also usually have no idea of the cleanliness factor that an engine room on a yacht should have, or many other areas.

    I've also seen many ex- Coast Guard, Navy, etc. people come and go. Working on a yacht is very different than a Navy vessel. Remember, on a Navy vessel a crew member has a certain postion, hat, or job and that's what they know and do. A jack of all trades, they are not. Their attitudes also generally do not work well in the yachting industry.
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    7 hours since the distress call and it appears that no liferafts are prepared..... thank goodness they had the foresight to put their immersion suits on. Yes there is a liferaft inflated, however I would assume the HRU and not the crew launched this one on the Starboard side once it was underwater. The Port side rafts still appear to be lashed and in place.... Oh but they did get the NUC lights on...albeit with the masthead lights aswell.... scary stuff
  11. Capt Ralph

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    I recall (somewhere) the rescue folks drooped the raft because they had problems lifting the crew from the yacht.

    Found it;


    (CBS/AP) The Greek coast guard rescued eight people from a 200-foot French-flagged yacht as it was sinking in the Aegean Sea on Friday.

    "Rescue workers from were lowered down to the deck from Super Puma helicopters to lift the passengers, Reuters reports. A safety raft was also released into the water because heavy winds made the rescue operation difficult."
  12. RVN-BR

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    we just love speculation :) Some of us are trying to dissect real facts... possible causes etc, some good ideas... (albeit still speculations), others come in and lash useless stuff... "thank goodness they had the foresight to put on their immersion suits"... it is really easy to scoff at someone else's situation i suppose, eh?

    Anyways, about the container, I suppose it is a possibility? In all honesty i personally hadnt heard of this type of accident, but if an iceberg can bring down a ship, so could a container if hit in the right way? Also, the alleged collision would have occured at night, so a good possibility whatever was in the water wasnt spotted...
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    If I understand correctly, without guests you wouldn't need 7-8-9-10-11 which already makes 10, not 15, and one of them dedicated chief. Now if someone prepares meals for the crew, 8 men running will actually be just 1 deckhand short of charter list, with regards to people who actually run the boat, not guests.
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    Hi,

    It might surprise you to learn that boats need to be cleaned inside and out regularly even with no guests onboard.

    If there are no Stewies on the team who do you think is going to do the Laundry for the Crew?

    The idea of everyone doing their own working gear is not one I have encountered in a long time.

    The last time I was on a boat where we washed our own gear it was done in a bucket on deck and rinsed out by being towed behind - This was on a 50ft Sailboat crossing the Pacific in 1983.

    The use of the Laundry by everyone is not something I would encourage given how I have seen some non caring individuals use laundry equipment.
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    Certainly I can see that, but still, doing laundry is not all too much related to crew sufficiency with regards to safely operating a vessel.
    My point being, 8 crew without guests is enough to skip most of the fluff about how there weren't enough manpower to handle emergency. To the best of my understanding, stewardesses are the least critical crew component in crisis management.
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    I agree, and i said exactly that... plus, the delivery crew is likely to have been small but rested... on a charter the rotation is much more intense and the workload is incredibly higher... I seriously doubt the 8 crewman was the problem or even made any difference...
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    Most of the yachts I worked on, we could go about a week on a delivery without touching the inside, especially if it was rough, there was no reason to clean the inside......

    We all did our own personal laundry on the yachts I've worked on, even the large ones, how else do you keep track of whose is whose......

    I definately agree about the way complete idiots do laundry. On a 105' we picked up "twinkletoes" a 19 year old male steward, 1 time he tried to put about 4 loads worth of his laundry into an apartment size crew washer and dryer.......after he went to bed and his crap still wasn't dry, I put it on for another 120 minutes, and it still wasn't dry......I took it out of the dryer and dumped it all very damp on top of his comforter. Then, in the main laundry on the boat, he put so much soap that the front loader shut off and the alarm was going off on it, it wouldn't let us open the door until we shut the breaker off, and then had to shopvac the 1/2 bottle of soap he put into it out of it.......needless to say, I was second Captain just for the voyage from Ft. laud to St. Maarten, he ended up flying home the day after I did, even though the owner was flying in the following day and they NEEDED a steward(ess) for the owner......

    As for 8 crew, it's way too light on that size for a delivery longer than 24 hours. That boat really should have 3 on watch at a time.......in order to get proper sleep, have someone cook meals, and enough crew awake to check on things and/or do damage control, they should be running 3 crew with 6 hours on 12 hours off.......or 4 hrs on and 8 off.......so that equals 9 crew minimum in my book........10 would be even better so there's 1 dedicated just to meals and odds and ends.....such as interior cleaning......laundry.....who knows......
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    salvage???

    I was wondering,how deep the water is where the sinking took place. access by divers etc. to find out what happened and maybe raise her?
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    Is it just me or does it look like some bad damage on the bottom of the hull in the third pic? The keel looks like it has had its paint scraped off and a rather big crack beneath it. Kind of looks like there is water coming out of that crack as well..
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    i have heard from somebody who has direct contact with the captain that he has said there was a very loud sound as if they have hit something and the water was coming in from the stabilizer. they have looked for a container in the area, but there was nothing.

    the commercial ships of 18000 teu in take capacity work with 13 crew and there are a lot of issues to do onboard in comparison to a yacht having a delivery voyage. for a delivery voyage you would need enough crew to keep a decent watch and some more people to take care of crews' needs; so 8 is definitely should suffice.

    as to technical competence of the yard; i have not been on board of yogi, but other ships build by proteksan and i have found the quality in the engine room par with most other superyacht builders in western europe.

    all in all there is still some ay to go in order to achieve to a conclusion for what has really happened.
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