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Pilotage Requirements

Discussion in 'Yacht Captains' started by Ken Bracewell, Jun 11, 2009.

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  1. Rodger

    Rodger Senior Member

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    I took them up the Welland Canal five years ago before the 35 M rule.
    They are a commercial boat and had to have a Seaway inspection and at that time they declared there length was 35.5 M also that is the information on the ships papers.
    They are working hard to bring there size down under 35 M.
    Will see what happens when they arrive ten days from now.
    They will require a Seaway inspection when they arrive at canal and the Seaway still has the report from five years ago.
    Will let you no what happens.
    Rodger
  2. Capt J

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    It sounds like he has/is running a 75' Lazzara lsx with those dimensions.
  3. Ken Bracewell

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    Does anyone have any current info on this? I've been away from New England for a couple of years, so am a little behind. I have a friend who emailed me last night saying that the Coast Guard is telling them they'll need a pilot in LIS at 442 tons.
  4. NYCAP123

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    This is outside my scope Ken, and I DK about the upcomming summer, but I can tell you that the only time I'vr ever seen pilots in LIS were to supervise offloading of fuel at Tosco and Northport, and a pilot stayed on board with a fuel tanker for the trip up to Bridgeport. He was picked up at Tosco (Riverhead). Don't recall ever seeing them on private yachts. This info goes back a few years.
  5. ychtcptn

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    I have a old classmate that is a pilot with NE, I'll reach out and see what he says.
  6. NYCAP123

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    N.Y. NAV. LAW ยง 89-b : NY Code - Section 89-B: Pilotage on Long Island Sound and Block Island Sound; rates

    1. Every foreign vessel and every American vessel under register
    transiting the New York state waters of Long Island Sound or Block
    Island Sound east of Execution Rocks or Sands Point, and any such
    vessels entering or departing from any port situated on the New York
    state waters of Long Island Sound east of Execution Rocks or Sands
    Point, shall take a Long Island-Block Island Sound pilot licensed under
    the authority of this article. Every foreign vessel and every American
    vessel under register transiting the New York state waters of Long
    Island Sound or Block Island Sound east of a line running southeasterly
    from the mouth of the Byram River at the New York-Connecticut boundary
    to Oak Neck Point on Long Island shall take a pilot licensed under the
    authority of this article or the laws of any other state having
    concurrent jurisdiction over these waters. Whenever the services of such
    a pilot are refused, the master, owners or consignees shall pay pilotage
    as if one had been employed. The pilotage authorized to be collected
    whenever a pilot shall be refused by a vessel shall be sued for and
    recovered in the name of the pilot tendering such service. Such
    pilotage, when recovered, shall belong to and may be retained by such
    pilot for his own benefit and use.
    2. It shall be unlawful for any person not licensed as a Long
    Island-Block Island Sound pilot under this article to pilot or to offer
    to pilot any foreign vessel or any American vessel sailing under
    register transiting the New York state waters of Long Island Sound or
    Block Island Sound east of Execution Rocks or Sands Point including any
    such vessel entering or departing from any port situated on the New York
    state waters of Long Island Sound east of Execution Rocks or Sands
    Point, and it shall likewise be unlawful for any master or person on
    board a tug or towboat to tow such a vessel transiting the New York
    state waters of Long Island Sound or Block Island Sound east of
    Execution Rocks or Sands Point including any such vessel entering or
    departing from any port situated on the New York state waters of Long
    Island Sound east of Execution Rocks or Sands Point unless such vessel
    shall have on board a Long Island-Block Island Sound pilot licensed
    under this article. It shall be unlawful for any person not licensed as
    a Long Island-Block Island Sound pilot under this article or under the
    laws of any other state having concurrent jurisdiction to pilot or to
    offer to pilot any foreign vessel or any American vessel under register
    transiting the New York state waters of Long Island Sound and Block
    Island Sound east of a line running southeasterly from the mouth of the
    Byram River at the New York-Connecticut boundary to Oak Neck Point on
    Long Island.
    3. Violation of subdivision two of this section shall be a misdemeanor
    punishable by a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars or by
    imprisonment not exceeding sixty days. Any person employing such an
    unlicensed person to act as pilot shall forfeit and pay the sum of one
    hundred dollars to the board of commissioners of pilots.
    4. (a) Every foreign vessel and every American vessel under register
    transiting the New York state waters of Long Island Sound or Block
    Island Sound east of Execution Rocks or Sands Point including any such
    vessel entering or departing from any port situated on the New York
    state waters of Long Island Sound east of Execution Rocks and Sands
    Point shall be subject to pilotage fees, at the rates hereinafter
    specified. Whenever the services of such a pilot are refused, the
    master, owners or consignees shall pay pilotage as if one had been
    employed. Such pilotage fees may be sued for and recovered in the name
    of such pilot and may be retained by him for his own use and benefit. If
    such pilot at the request of the master, owners, consignees or agent of

    any vessel transiting the New York state waters of Long Island Sound or
    Block Island Sound east of Execution Rocks or Sands Point anchors or
    moors such vessel at any place on the waters of Long Island Sound or
    Block Island Sound east of Execution Rocks or Sands Point, or if such
    vessel be detained at quarantine, the same pilotage fees shall be
    payable and the pilot entitled to his discharge.
    (b) The following scale of charges shall be applicable:
    (1) Upon the effective date of this paragraph and thereafter:
    All vessels shall pay seven dollars per pilotage unit; upon one year
    after the effective date of a chapter of the laws of two thousand seven
    that amended this subparagraph and thereafter, all vessels shall pay
    seven dollars and forty-two cents per pilotage unit; and, upon two years
    after the effective date of a chapter of the laws of two thousand seven
    that amended this subparagraph and thereafter, all vessels shall pay
    seven dollars and eighty-seven cents per pilotage unit.
    (2) A minimum charge calculated on one hundred fifty pilotage units
    shall apply to vessels of less than one hundred fifty units of
    measurement. A maximum charge calculated on five hundred pilotage units
    shall apply to vessels of more than five hundred units of measurement.
    (3) Pilotage units, as used in this subdivision, shall be determined
    by multiplying the overall length of the vessel by the extreme breadth
    by the depth to the uppermost continuous deck and dividing the total by
    ten thousand, as expressed in the following formula:

    Overall length X extreme breadth X depth
    ________________________________________________
    10,000
    equals pilotage units

    (4) After entering Long Island Sound or Block Island Sound or before
    departing therefrom, all vessels piloted for less than twenty-five miles
    shall pay a transporting charge equal to two-thirds of the statutory
    rate for registered vessels.
    (5) A pilot detained on board a vessel at anchor or detained on board
    a vessel at berth for more than two hours shall be paid at the rate of
    twenty-five dollars per hour or fraction thereof.
    (6) A pilot carried off on board a vessel by reason of bad weather or
    any other cause shall be paid two hundred dollars per day during the
    time of his detention. He shall also be awarded first class return
    transportation at the earliest possible time.
    (c) Definitions. "Overall length" is the distance between the forward
    and after extremities of the vessel.
    "Extreme breadth" is the maximum breadth to the outside of the shell
    plating of the vessel.
    "Depth" is the vertical distance at amidships from the top of the keel
    plate to the uppermost continuous deck, fore and aft, and which extends
    to the sides of the vessel. The continuity of a deck shall not be
    considered to be affected by the existence of openings, including but
    not limited to tonnage openings, engine spaces, or a step in the deck.
    All measurements shall be in feet and inches (U.S.).
    The board of commissioners of pilots shall be the sole arbiter with
    respect to a question concerning these definitions. The decision by the
    board shall be final.
    (d) The measurements of overall length, extreme breadth, and depth as
    previously defined, shall be made available to the pilot by the master
    or his agent for the computation of pilotage fees. Failure to provide
    the measurements so required shall subject the vessel to the maximum
    pilotage charge.

    5. The board of commissioners of pilots is hereby authorized to
    execute an agreement with the appropriate state pilotage authority of
    any state for establishment of a rotation system for the assignment of
    pilots for the conduct of vessels in the ports and waters of the state,
    including the waters of Long Island Sound.
  7. Ken Bracewell

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    Thanks Randy
  8. Ken Bracewell

    Ken Bracewell Senior Member

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    I've just learned that they have changed the length for required pilotage to 150'
  9. olderboater

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    In NY or NJ?
  10. Ken Bracewell

    Ken Bracewell Senior Member

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    I inquired about going to NY as NJ was always 200'