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Discussion in 'Midnight Lace Yacht' started by meblom, Jun 27, 2011.

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  1. maldwin

    maldwin Senior Member

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    I appreciate the enthusiasm, but that may be a little harsh, in fact some of my best friends are brokers. The good ones think about the next three deals with the same client, and refferals rather than the first deal. In fact,my long time broker has worked with as many as three generations of the same family.
    On the other side of the coin a friend of mine just had a very nasty experience with a firm that has already been sued successfully, and it cost him a lot of money. That firm will probably never sell another boat on Jupiter Island, but they couldn't see beyond the next corner.
    Best,
    Maldwin
  2. Capt Ralph

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    Maldwin
    I did not mean to offend you.

    There may be good brokers out there. I have not met one.
    My opinion, however harsh, stands.

    Interesting comment you made; bad broker sued successfully; By a lawlor (another bottom feeder) needs to happen more often.

    Maybe the good brokers could shine thru and be found then.

    Good luck in your search for a good Lace. I always thought they were gorgeous.
    I remember an old Fexas article when he commented how much he (Fexas) loved the old commuters around NYC and the Lace designs were started from them.
  3. docwow

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    Regarding the drying of a hull. I purchased a Lace a year and a half ago, stripped the gelcoat and have been drying her since. I just applied epoxy barrier coat as the moisture readings are now in the low teens and consistent over all areas of the hull with no de-lamination. As to value, I look at this as an investment in what I think is the most beautiful yacht ever designed. I fell in love with this design in 1984 (and nearly hit a bridge abutment rubbernecking the Lace). As a resident physician, affording one then was out of the question but I always dreamed of having one. After looking at, and in promising cases surveying five of them, I finally found one in fresh water with a solid hull and excellent teak (and nothing else) at a rock bottom price. She is now going through a full restoration at woodiesrestorations.com. I hope to launch this summer.
  4. susan

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    hi docwow, is your boat by chance black magic? we are currently looking at sheer lace, does anyone know anything about her?
  5. maldwin

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    I surveyed SHEER LACE, and found that she was mechanically sound, but there is so much delamination on the interior panelling, and enough waviness in her paint that it would cost about $ 400,000 to put her in the condition I wanted her in. After another bad survey, and a third bad seatrial, as well as looking at every Lace on the market, I gave up, and bought a Lyman Morse. In my opinion, the best Lace on the market is the 52 in Seattle, although she has a higher asking price, she will probably be the cheapest one to own in the long run.
    Best,
    Maldwin
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    Susan,
    I am not familiar with sheer lace by that name but as an original owner of a midnight lace 52 express model, of which only two were made. I'm sure I could tell you a great deal about the boats. I can also tell you that after 29 years of ownership "Black Swan" is for sale. Without hesitation I can say that Black Swan is the best looking Lace ever built. The express model is the original design and this boat has been extremely customized over the years and not seen the neglect that many of the older boats have. The boat is not currently listed but is for sale privately. I can make information and photos available through this forum or privately. I can be contacted at EMAIL REMOVED
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  7. susan

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    i`m interested in black swan...i`ve seen photos of her, how can we chat about her? i also am EXTREMELY interested in black magic...does anyone know how to get in touch with the owner of that boat? i saw the photos of her restoration...gorgeous.
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    susan,
    not sure why the moderator removed my email address from my last post so i'll try a phone number. REMOVED! if this doesn't work we'll try another way
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    BlackSwan,

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  10. susan

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    hello maldwin do you still have the survey you had done on sheer lace?
  11. susan

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    maldwin,
    when you surveyed sheer lace was there any indication of hull delamination anywhere? can you confirm that the hull core material is plastic honeycomb and not balsa wood ? my understanding is that the superstructure had been painted, has the black hull been painted as well or is it still original gelcoat?
    ... on another tack, do you know who owns black magic and is it for sale?
    thanking you in advance,
    Susan
  12. docwow

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    No, mine was last named "Rhode Island III", was "Amazing Lace" before that, and originally sold as "Black Star".
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    Her new name is "Leather & Lace" after the song and Waylon Jennings album of the same name. I did a show with Waylon many years ago and always thought this would be a very cool name if I could ever find one of these incredible yachts.
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    I surveyed the Seattle boat "Pretty Woman" and she is very nice and the owner is a great guy and a meticulous fellow. She would need her bottom done (lots of blistering), and a few relatively minor mechanical issues. The price was a little high then, but after adding up what I am putting into my restoration project, perhaps I should have bought her! "Anhinga" in Ft. Lauderdale is mechanically good and has had her bottom done recently, but the inside? Pretty sad.
  15. Old Phart

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    I dunno
    Let us not forget Jessi Colter and Stevie Nicks.
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    Would they be Arsenic and Old Lace?
  17. Old Phart

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    Way off base.

    Stevie wrote the song for them, became aware of a possible split, did the song herself (Don Henley, too).

    Jessie stayed with Waylon until his passing.
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  18. docwow

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    Correct. The Don Henley/Stevie Nicks cut is great but I always thought that Waylon and Jessie would have absolutely killed it; perhaps not as "pretty" as the actual cut but a lot more "gritty", especially given the name of the album. Either way, this song is at the top of my playlist!
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    An attempt at humor, within the constraints of the thread theme.

    I am a big fan of the Wanted! The Outlaws album. Jessie added a lot with her presence. Only got to see Waylon live once. Interesting complement to Willie, who is one of my all time favorites. To the folks that say Jazz is "America's only native art form", I say "you forgot Willie".

    Sorry for the hijack.
  20. SomeTexan

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    You guys are dragging up memories of sitting on the 'Rose with Willie and Merle, listening to stories about the good old days. Waylon and Jessie are on the top of my "good music" list.