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Design or Copy?

  1. Yes, it's a copy.

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  2. No, it's not a copy.

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    10.9%
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  1. nano-J

    nano-J New Member

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    give it a name...


    Hey that sounds like a great name for the owner...instead of BLING...they can call it BLINd.
  2. dbart9

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    nice model...too bad it's got the wrong name and credit isn't being given where credit is due!
  3. YachtForum

    YachtForum YachtForums Publisher

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    The curved windows on the model are the final proof. This had been the only missing element. Now... there is NO question... it IS a direct copy! Lars, I'm not sure how you contained yourself when you saw the model on display in Monaco. You must be an extremely disciplined person. If it was me... I would be turning models into balsa splinters.

    Very, very dissappointing.
  4. TRY

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    10 blind guys so far!

    And another press announcement in the latest issue of "The Yacht Report".
    Sensation will get another message from me, and the editor of TYR will be informed.
  5. TRY

    TRY Senior Member

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    Diligent reaction

    Within 15 minutes of my message to inform The Yacht Report I received the reply below.
    I will certainly talk to Tork early next week and keep a record going here!
    Sensation cannot and will not get away with this!

  6. TRY

    TRY Senior Member

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    Now it gets underway!

    Hereafter a reply from Sensation Yachts...

    What is surprising, and I will reply in that sense, is that these guys now try to revert into a position of plaintiff instead of the accused. Quite funny actually, because should they have an "original desing", there would be no need to take this position. It may be a good idea that one of the Yachtforums members or visitors with an undisputable technical background makes an analysis for SY to reply to.

    Here's the "accusation" I now face...

  7. OutMyWindow

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    Word of Caution

    I think that we all appreciate the dilemma between AMG and Sensation Yacht, and don't for a minute assume that this thread is not read by everyone mentioned in it.
    The question is, should this forum be a 3rd party to a potential lawsuit between the two parties, and if so what liability will it or it's members face if things get nasty?.
    Just food for thought....
    http://news.com.com/2100-1023-215292.html
  8. Castlerock

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    This is a very interesting position they are taking. They want you to send all of the evidence for "discovery", why? Are they providing reciprical "discovery" to you? It appears that they want to offer you somthing if they find a design infringment, why? Did sensation get the design from a up and coming designer who stole it to make a name for himself? Now that they are into tooling is it too late and too expencive to change? Now they are forced to deal with the issue. Maybe look at where they sourced the design from.

    In the mean time don't get boxed in a corner, hire a top notch copyright attorney who can defend your position. Your design and you should get the credit, and if they are indeed moving forward with the construction, you should be paid!!
  9. Kevin

    Kevin YF Moderator

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    They're very defensive, aren't they?

    Interesting, but the last time I checked people were allowed to have an opinion.

    Sensation is asking for proof, when in fact they should be the ones providing it.
  10. AMG

    AMG YF Moderator

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    Hi,

    Of course this is something that Sensation and myself will have to deal with if they should go ahead and build this boat, which I hope will not happen, but I also think that anyone must be free to give his or her opinion at the forum.

    This is essentially also the conclusion of the article you refer to if you have read all of it.
  11. OutMyWindow

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    Yes, I have read the whole article, and I realize that this is a Hot Issue for yourself and others (I personally sympathize). But the intention of my previous post is not to take sides or linger on the finer points of the Law, but to point out that some companies do use the court system to file libel suits, which may involve Yachtforums.
    It does not matter who is right or wrong, freedom of speech etc, but how deep your pockets are to prove your point, and legal interpretations of such.
    I would think that it’s Carl’s call if problems arise, as this is his forum.
  12. AMG

    AMG YF Moderator

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    Sorry Outmywindow, but maybe you did not read the whole article where it says this; "If ITEX can't find out the real identity of the "John Does," it probably won't sue Yahoo, either. According to the so-called Good Samaritan provision of the Communications Decency Act, interactive computer services can not be "treated as the publisher or speaker" of the content posted by a third party."

    So why threat Carl when not even your example has lead to any lawsuit? What is discussed on YachtForums is not to compare with the ITEX issue.

    And this is not a Hot Issue for me, but it could be one for Sensation Yachts.
  13. Arniev

    Arniev Senior Member

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    Lars,
    You're right. One cannot compare the ITEX issue to YF.
    YF is a venue where members express their "own personal opinions" with the purpose of fostering an "interactive, constructive and informative discussion" of varied topics related to Yachting.
    Therefore, the views expressed herein are those of the members and do not necessarily reflect those of the publisher of this forum.
    Arnie
    :)
  14. TRY

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    In view of the "law and order" discussion in which my personal action seems to develop I will take the direct argument offline.
    Not the most brave, but perhaps the most efficient decision.
  15. oct0gen

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    AMG,

    I'm a fan of your designs. While I can't afford to have you build me a yacht (yet), I have enjoyed "customizing" one of your designs that I liked. I was wondering if you would mind if I posted a couple pics the modified design. I figured that since we were on the subject of plagiarized designs, here would be as good of place as any to ask.
  16. AMG

    AMG YF Moderator

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    Thanks for being a fan :) However posting a modified design here could cause another hairsplit, is it yours or mine if somebody would like to build it?

    Making redesigns of existing yachts is different since the original designer is already paid and may want to participate in another project if the owner has not bought the exclusive rights.

    Which design is it that you have "customized"?

    /Lars
  17. oct0gen

    oct0gen New Member

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    The Polara. I did it mainly for fun as I cannot afford a yacht but I can see your point about potential problems if a third party tries to copy parts of the modified design.
  18. AMG

    AMG YF Moderator

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    Polara is maybe not so unique, except for the diamond shaped elevator going from the bridge deck to the crows nest. But I still think it is better that you keep your design for yourself to avoid interpretations on what is the original concept and what is yours.

    I actually made a special edition myself last Christmas ;)
    http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/21083-post37.html
  19. oct0gen

    oct0gen New Member

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    copy that. ill shut up and color :)
  20. catmando

    catmando Senior Member

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    Lars you have the satisfaction of having designed a much more modern yacht. The other one looks dated compared to yours. At any rate I hope you can stop this piracy.
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