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Motor Sailers by Philip Rhodes & John Alden

Discussion in 'General Sailing Discussion' started by brian eiland, Apr 3, 2007.

  1. K1W1

    K1W1 Senior Member

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    Hi,

    JoeQ, Could you post a photo or two of yours showing the whole boat in profile?
  2. JoeQ

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    OK, I'll get some..........
    :)
  3. JoeQ

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    How's this, sitting in the lock at the start of the Caledonian Canal heading for Loch Ness.

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  4. JoeQ

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    Hi,

    Could any of you guys who have used the Cheoy Lee 63' give me an idea of speed, cruising and max under power and/or sail. Also what about fuel consumption and range?

    Mine has twin Cat 3208 NA 210HP, what other engine options were available?

    Thanks.
  5. SeanC

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    JoeQ: I've been able to determine that before your boat was named "Coo Too" it was named "Lush Life". Documentation records show that she was completed in 1982 though your plate shows 1983. I believe she was sold as "Lush Life" in 1987 and then renamed "Coo Too". In December of 2001 the Documentation was "deleted". Where she went after that and under what name, I do not know. I hope this helps you find more history.
  6. K1W1

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    Hi,

    JoeQ, If you can get your local Caterpilar dealer ( I don't actually know if there is one near you or not) to do a Performance Analysis Report (PAR) on your engines this will answer a lot of questions for you in one go. It will tell you how much you burn at what revs with figures exactly as taken from your particular boat where you may have differences that others do or don't have.If you ask them to do a single engine comparison test as a part of it It will also enable you to determine when running on just one engine how much power you can apply before you are overloading the engine.

    Failing being able to get a CAT guy to do it a set of good calibrated Flow Meters in the fuel lines will be half the battle and do your own trials.
  7. JoeQ

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    Thanks to everyone who's helped, I joined this forum less than a week ago and already have more information than I was able to gather over the last 3 years!

    Apologies to the original poster of the thread for hijacking it, hope you don't mind. :)

    If anyone has any more info on my boat or can offer any advice or tips please get in touch. I still love to hear of others experiences with their 63's in respect of handling etc.
  8. MedRascal

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    My CL63 #4413 had twin Perkins 130HP each. My cruising speed averaged 8 kts @ 1900 RPMs. In this kind of boats, big or small engiens don't make much differnece on curising speed.

    On my CL78 #4562, i have twin Perkins 135HP and cruise at 8.5 kts @ 1900RPMs.

    If you want more info on your 63' i suggest you contact the European dealer
    http://www.cheoyleena.com/index.php?sec=2668

    or:

    EUROPEAN DISTRIBUTOR
    Yachtmarketing Limited
    +44 1624 611 099
    Info@yachtmarketing.com

    ask for Luuk V. van Zanten, who has been dealing with Cheoy Lee for at least 20 years!
  9. Loren Schweizer

    Loren Schweizer YF Associate Writer

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    JoeQ:
    I dusted off an old listing of mine and here are the numbers that were given to me by a couple of owners--

    Your 3208 NAs burn about 2.5 gph. each. Tankage numbers come from God knows where, but we used 1500 gal. capacity. Some boats in Europe are advertising 6500l which may be true as well.

    The boat would do 7 kts. @ 1400 rpm on one engine. Keep in mind that these boats had either LUK or AutpProps, so there is a feathering effect here as well:

    2.5 gph + 1500 gal. + 7 kts. = 4200NM

    With both engines, she'd cruise at 8 kts.:
    5 gph + 1500 gal + 8 kts. = 2400 NM

    Reaching under a gennaker in 15 knots of breeze over the deck would allow her to make 8 knots.

    Hope this proves useful.
    May you never have to point higher than 45 degrees. :D
  10. brian eiland

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    Diesel/Electric repower

    If you fellows ever get a chance to experience an electric motor driven vessel, give it a try. You will be amazed at the significant torque at the low end and the instantaneous forward to reverse capabilities without the need of a gearbox.

    If I were repowering one of these older motorsailers, I would definitely look at the new diesel/electric technologies that can eliminate one or two extra aux-generator units and allow for electric motor drive of the props without the need for gearboxes


    I talk about some of those subjects, and reference some other websites here under my new motorsailer design
    http://www.runningtideyachts.com/dynarig/
  11. Jbduffy1

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    The Kanaloa...Deck Hand

    HI Everyone:

    My name is Jim Duffy and I was a deck hand on the Kanaloa during the America Cup races in 1974. I was 19 and my father knew the owner of the motor sailer. From June to the end of July, we made the boat beautiful and trained as the boat was to be leased during the races by (now billionaire) Ted Turner. Ted turned came on the ship with his famliy (Pre Jane Fonda). We sereved then breakfast,Lunch and Dinner. We sailed all over the ocean until the races started. Being a motor sailer we were able to go 10 knots. I boat was beautiful the teak wood was wonderful. After the races were over, I felt I should go back to school. But I left a winter of sailing in the Carribean. (Now I look back and kick myself).

    I fould a picture of the yacht and it is old and not in great shape. But remember that people would walk past the big huge power boats and stop by the Kanaloa and say "That's my boat"...some night we would stand on deck and answer questions.

    I met many celebrities on the yacht as Ted was always trying to entertian some big shot.

    If anyone wants any information on Newport in 1974 or the yacht. Let me know.

    Wonderful ship and many great memories.

    Jim Duffy
    Ramsey New Jersey
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  13. wannasail53

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    Thank You Brian, I have been searching for info on the Virginia Reel. Great info.
  14. brian eiland

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    Hawksbill

    Thanks for bringing this subject thread back to my attention. As I noted on this Alden design, I was real tempted to buy a version of this vessel, Hawksbill

    I think you can find some photos and a listing for her on the internet presently, but then this info may go away. So I thought I would post some photos that might remain with this forum. This does look comfy as a liveaboard.

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    Hawksbill (cont)

    a few more shots

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    Eleuthera II

    Not eactly a motorsailer, but a moderately large, smart-sailing cruising design from Alden, just before he retired.

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    47' Windsong

    ....referred to as a 'Full Powered Auxiliary, the beautiful 47' Windsong
    ..with a 100HP engine for long passages under power

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  19. brian eiland

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    Alden 64

    Here's another design I found hiding in my old files. It's an Alden (office) design that reminds me very much of the Rhodes' vessels I documented in posting #1.

    This vessel was actually owned by a gentleman who started up a well know seafood restaurant in old town Alexandria here in Washington DC. He has since passed away. I actually took photos of the pictures hung on the walls of the resturant, and that explains the bright refection in these scans that developed from the flash of the camera and the glass covering of the photos.

    I believe the name of the vessel was SunShine.

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  20. kapth

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    intresting in cheoy lee ms 53 - 63
    Hello
    am locking for a cheoy lee53-63 so can yoy giv mi som information on this boat.
    Is i sailing ok?

    Best reg
    Thomas