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More illegal charter crackdown

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  1. Danvilletim

    Danvilletim Senior Member

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    And he didn’t have a drug policy? What do you need other than no drugs? Maybe no drugs before 6pm? Lol
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  3. Pascal

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    Charter boat crews (even uninspected vessels) are required to be part of a random testing program
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    Hmm, I did not read Friday’s paper, remember any quotes?
    I spoke to the Journey about 20 minutes over the phone early in the week, he got my number from the National Association of Charter Boat Operators, guess they have a public index of members.
    Nice guy, invited him for an Odin ride, a bit of free advertising don’t hurt nothing. :cool:
    www.odincharters.com
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    From Fri. 07-26 -19 Sun Sentinel.
    Capt.. Dag Hanssen who operates the Odin charter service on the New River in Ft. Lauderdale, says illegal charters take away from legitimate operations. "All these other people, they take my potential customers and do nothing on their boat" he said.
  7. Norseman

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    Hmm, that would be the short version: I explained the differences between a legal charter boat and a recreational boat: The Type 1 PFDs with Automatic strobe lights, the name on the bow, the documents onboard showing drug program with random testing, the alcohol tester, the various USCG Accident Reporting Forms, checklists for Fire, rough weather, man over board, etc, etc.
    The above of course for an un-inspected vessel. (UPV)
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  8. CTdave

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    Just curious, what kind of boat is that? Looking at the bow near the waterline, it has the same lines/strakes as my Hatteras. Funky house/bridge though
  9. Capt J

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    70' Johnson MY
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    Yes it is, and now listed for sale with this description:

    :D
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    Yep, 70 Johnson. I ran one with enclosed FB for years... incredible aft deck but low freeboard and bloated entry.
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    Yup, I ran a Johnson 70 as well, private boat, enclosed FB with isinglass and no vipers.
    It salted up, reduced forward visibility, no option to unzip isinglass.
    Owner mod.
    Other than that, nice boat 2 X MAN 1,350 HP, 29 knots cruise/top speed.
  13. Pascal

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    § 15.605 Credentialed operators for uninspected passenger vessels.
    Each uninspected passenger vessel (UPV) must be under the direction and control of an individual credentialed by the Coast Guard, as follows:

    (a) Every UPV of 100 GRT or more, as defined by 46 U.S.C. 2101(42)(A), must be under the command of an individual holding a license or MMC endorsed as master. When navigated, it must be under the direction and control of a credentialed master, pilot, or mate.

    (b) Every self-propelled UPV as defined by 46 U.S.C. 2101(42)(B) must be under the direction and control of an individual holding a license or MMC endorsed as or equivalent to an operator of an uninspected passenger vessel (OUPV).

    (c) Personnel serving on UPVs engaged on international voyages must meet the requirements of subpart K of this part.

    Subpart K is STCW requirement

    So, it's most likely just no license considering where it was unless it was returning from the Bahamas or something.
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    Just read an article on just that in Southern Boating/July 2019 And, they're going to want their cut. Good news is they are working on "an app for that" so the ol' "in person and cash only" may be a thing of the past.
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    Yes there has been some crackdown with boats temporarily impounded for doing charter without a license. Rates are based on LOA, we pay about $2600 a year for an 84 footer.

    They re also raising entry fees for boats over 100’ or for those staying more than 3 months.
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    The Southern Boating article also said the charter boats are supposed to pay a percentage (I think it was 4%) of each charter fee. Between the increase in customs fees and the annually increasing VAT (that nobody seems to know where it goes), the Bahamas is going to reach a tipping point where a lot of tourists are simply going to go elsewhere. I have not seen a single example, since they started collecting VAT of any infrastructure that has been upgraded at all in the Bahamas except they paved the streets on Green Turtle and stuck a new pole in to replace the channel marker that was broken off at NW channel for a decade.

    For your average family that flies into Nassau to go to Atlantis (or elsewhere in the Bahamas) where everything is super over-priced to begin with, adding 15% VAT on top of everything is almost unbearable.
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    The 4% tax in charter has been in effect for years collected by brokers and paid to the boat. I m guessing not all of it gets paid to the Bahamas government as you have to pay it in Nassau. We use an agent for that.

    4% is better than 7 1/2 florida sales tax on charters

    Btw when starting a charter in Florida and going to the Bahamas during charter means BOTH taxes are due...

    While land tourists have other options including BYOB or die Dominicans rep, the crowded US and B VIs, and the leeward Islands, there aren’t many places that can compete with the Exuma as the ultimate charter destination. I lived on St Barth’s thru the 80s and into the 90s flying all over the Caribbean and it s not even close. The BVIs are crowded with hundreds of boats in anchorages. So are the grenadines and the leeward have rough open waters between each islands.

    4% charter tax, the ever rising VAT on dockage and high fuel prices isn’t going to deter charters.
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    I love the Exumas and have been going there and doing many many trips there since 2003. But after Sampson Cay went private (which was a great marina and island for the personality of most of the owners I work for), things started to go downhill. Staniel stepped up and put a nice restaurant there, but the marina still has way too busy of a feel with boats constantly pulling in and out and tons of foot traffic on the dock. The biggest issue and detriment are all of the 40'+ center consoles from Nassau pulling up with 50+ cruise ship tourists. You go to feed the pigs and 3 center consoles pull up and all of a sudden you have 150 people in a spot that was once peaceful. The yacht tenders pulling up, even if there were 3 others, everyone respected everyone and it was peaceful. Same goes for the sharks at Compass. I still love the exumas, but it's really losing it's feel of being paradise with all of the boats out of Nassau running around at 40 knots and the 100's of people at a time. I did the Abacos last year for the first time in many years and it actually was quite nice for a change. Beautiful beaches and reefs, pigs......just doesn't quite have the exumas water color, and things like thunderball or the sharks at compass. However, you do have a choice of many more marina's on different islands, albeit most are pretty dated.
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