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Man D2848 LE403 coolant level alarm.

Discussion in 'Engines' started by kev cribb, Sep 24, 2020.

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  1. mapism

    mapism Senior Member

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    Aha, I see.
    You are now making me curious, and I'll check out also that smaller box as soon as I'll be back on my boat.
    I will also tell you about my findings on her ASAP.

    Btw, interesting to hear that you are talking of a Manhattan 56, because she's a boat I carefully considered.
    If you don't mind sharing some of her basic numbers (cruise & max speed, and possibly approximate fuel burn), I would be interested.
    Besides, what's your experience with her unusual sliding hi/low swim platform, is it working smoothly?
    I was warned about its reliability by a yard who struggled to fix one...
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    That is good news.
    Thank you for the update too.
  3. kev cribb

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    Ok so quick update. Still waiting for the part to arrive to refit it. There update done.
    Lol
    Pretty sure my problem was caused by my sliding saloon window as explained before.

    Mapism. I don’t really take much notice of fuel burn. When it’s empty it gets filled but roughly it’s about 180 litres per engine per hour. I have when we tried it got 28 knots but I normally cruise at about 23-24 knots just so it’s over the hump. In relation to the swim platform I love it. When I bought it the broker made the previous over take the platform off and it had all the rams rebuilt. I haven’t had a problem with it yet (touch wood) and I do treat it carefully. I had a man service surveyor go over the boat engines and platform and all that when i sea trialed it.
    Interesting statement he made.
    He said Volvo penta engines you can kick them, stamp on them, and they will still work. Man engines need to be loved. I love mine ha ha !
    Will update more when I can. Although the engineer I had come and do some bits and I got to take out the said problem box didn’t leave the wiring colours from where he took the wires out. So guess I will need to have him back to put it back in. Unless I can work it out myself or crawl round the other side and take the lid off that one and see. But it’s up against the bulkhead so probably not.
    Another point for anyone with these sensor boxes. On the back of them is a hole where the wires go into it. It should have a rubber seal on it. So the seal stops water going in. Mine didn’t so new one will have. The hole is about an inch ( 25 mm ) wide the wires take up about 6- 8 mm hence water gets in. Even if not from the window but another problem.
    Hope your all out having fun !
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    By the way. I’m going to have little stainless flaps made one for each black box. And mount them slightly angled down a couple of inches above each black box. And a couple of inches wider. That way if there is ever any problem with water getting in and running down onto the boxes. It will run off. As you all know a leak in a boat will start somewhere but end up somewhere completely different so this will protect them for good. Including should there be another problem with the window box which I hope not.
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    Be sure to properly seal all the wire inputs and other "holes" into the unit, including bolts or screws. Doesn't the cover have a gasket? I would think that unit should be water resistant as manufactured?
  6. mapism

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    Interesting to hear that, because it fully matches my findings while I was looking for a used boat in that size/type bracket.
    180 l/h at 24 knots means 7.5 l/nm, which is fine for those engines and boat size/type.
    Max speed according to the builder's specs should be up to 33 kts, but just FYI there's a widespread consensus that she's genuinely a 28kts max boat - 30 at the very best, if superclean and running on fumes.
    So, nothing wrong with yours, also in this respect.

    All that aside, I'm now back home, i.e. living aboard. :D
    So, if there's anything you would like to cross check with the behaviour of another pair of identical engines and their electrical bits, just ask!
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    That’s 360 L / h ? Which 180 “per engine “ Equates to if I understood the post Kev Cribbs post ^^^
  8. mapism

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    Doh! You are right, I missed that bit of KC post, in my previous reply.

    I guess I must have mentally removed that while reading, because 180L/engine doesn't make sense.
    Those engines are rated for 162 L/h each at 2300 rpm and full load, so there's no way he can burn 180x2 even at WOT - let alone at cruise speed!
  9. mapism

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    Not sure if in the meantime you sorted the problem, but today it popped to my mind that I told you I was going to cross-check the behaviour on my boat with the very same engines, so here goes.

    On my dashboard, when I turn an engine key to the contact position (i.e. without actually starting the engine), three warning lights go on: alternator, oil pressure and coolant level.
    The first two stay on till the engine is started, and go off as soon as the alternator kicks in and the oil pressure builds up.
    The coolant level instead stays on just for a couple of seconds, and then it goes off regardless of whether the engine is started or not.

    Besides, in order to make a full comparison with your situation, I also disconnected the coolant level sensor to see what happens.
    And on the dashboard, with the plug disconnected, the coolant level warning light doesn't turn on at all.
    I know this doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, but that's the way it is, and it happens on both engines, so I would think it works like that by design.

    Last but not least, I also asked my wife to turn the key for me, while I checked what happens on the engine black box.
    And the result is in the video below.
    The first half of the video show in real time the "normal" behaviour of the warning lights on the black box.
    When the two upper lights turn green, the coolant level light on the dashboard goes off.
    The second half shows what happens with the coolant level sensor disconnected, when as I said the dashboard light doesn't turn on at all.

    I hope this helps your troubleshooting, if not already sorted.

  10. kev cribb

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    Hi Mapism
    Thanks for your great help and the videos which does help. Still not quiet sorted. Are you still at your boat. Only if you are could you get a picture of the inside of one of your boxes. I just wonder if they are wired the same. Not to worry if not. Thanks again for all your help.
  11. mapism

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    Yup, I'm onboard as I'm writing.
    It's actually an exception when I'm NOT living aboard, rather than the other way round! :)

    Not a problem to open one box and take a photo, but I'm a bit skeptic that you will be able to compare the wiring accurately.
    In fact, I already attached to my post #9 a photo of the box interior which I took some time ago.
    Below is the very same photo, just re-attached to this post for reading convenience.

    But if that's not what you meant, and/or you are interested in some specific details, just ask.
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    PS: I only just noticed that this old photo was flipped vertically. I guess I did that just for easier reading of the Bosch label.
    I don't think it really matters, but just for clarity, the actual box orientation is as shown in the previous video - i.e. reversed, compared to the photo.

    PPS: I also have the original, much higher resolution photo.
    If you think it could be useful for you, just pm me your email.
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    Hi
    It was a photo of the inside of the smaller electronic box if you could.
    I have 6 wires in various colours just wondered if they are the same number and order of plug ins as mine. 1 to 6 or 7 to 12 and what order. You are more than a star and really helpful thank you.
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    Picture of what I mean. Hopefully your colours match mine if everything is the same. 5830C259-67F1-441B-B142-C5EA597A17E5.jpeg
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    Pic 2
    I have tried to upload another picture which it won’t except. Basically it’s the two green blocks numbered 1 to 12 and which coloured wire goes into which.
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    It appears that also the smaller box in your pics is the same as mine.
    Ref. the wiring, check out the pics below.

    Obviously I didn't detach the small box and the wires, as you seem to have done. I just opened the cover and took some pics.
    The first shows a label which I found inside the cover, while the others show the whole box from different angles, and the detail of the wires.
    It wasn't easy to take a good photo of the latter, particularly of the green block on the back, but I can confirm you that there are just two wires attached to it, both white, and connected to positions 4 and 10.

    Lastly, don't ask me why the contacts in the label scheme don't match the actual wiring.
    With anything boat-related, I'm a fan of the principle "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
    So, I'm not going to mess with something which is working just fine! :)

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    Awesome
    That’s you not the pictures
    Thank you so so much
    Your pictures tally with my wire colours and the order.
    I really like the nice rubber grommet seal that the wires go through and stop water getting in arrgggghhh which mine didn’t have. Hence my problem. Going to get one and then find the time to fit it and see. I will update once it’s all done so others have the info for the future.
    You really have been amazing with your help oh and so has the wife when she helped the other day.
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    Happy to have been helpful!
    Yep, the rubber seal seemed original, and was there in both boxes.
    But as you surely have seen, the larger box has several holes where the cables pass through.
    So, I think it would be a good idea to protect well the whole thing from any drops or spray of water.
    In my boat, they are placed in a bulkhead where they have zero chances to get wet, unless someone deliberately throws water at them...
    Looking fwd to reading that you'll have fixed everything!

    PS: interesting to hear that the wiring was the same in your boxes.
    Makes me wonder even more what is the logic of the label inside the cover, but... Hey-ho! :D
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    Hi
    Out of interest what boat do you have. Stating the obvious it’s obviously a man product not a builders option for that engine. It does seem up and over for what it does. I went to a tame man company I know who do me well on prices but £940 seems a lot. I did get one cheaper in the end. It is or should be in a non wet place unless ?? I’m going to get a stainless plate made and angled slightly downwards to fit above both to avoid the problem again. Update soon to follow.
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    Agreed. Frankly, I was also a bit surprised to see the circuitry inside the small box (never opened it before).
    After all, they are fully mechanical engines and those black boxes only seem to handle a couple of sensors with their alarms.
    The silver lining is that your wallet could suffer MUCH more when anything goes wrong with electronically controlled engines... :cool:

    My boat was built by Dalla Pietà, and she's a 56 footer flybridge like yours, but it's unlikely that you ever heard the name.
    It was a yard based in Venice, founded in the 50s, which up to a dozen of years ago used to build semi-custom boats from 50 to 80 feet.
    Historically, they always struggled to keep up with the domestic demand, and never had the wish nor the need to export.
    That's the reason why I guess the name might not tell you a lot.
    Sadly, when the financial meltdown stroke in 2008, the demand went down like a lead baloon, orders cancelled, etc.
    And that happened right while they were enlarging the production facilities and investing in new moulds, with a 100' in development.
    Long story short, sadly they were unable to stay afloat... :(