Looking for Coastal Cruiser

Is it the Marquis 59 that has a bath tub? I wish more boats had bath tubs.
I would seem that Marquis would have an owners forum or sub forum maybe on a Carver site? Not sure.

Keep in mind that some things are more trouble than they're worth.

Hot tub on the fly bridge for a 60ish foot boat seems like a great way to emphasize all sorts of rolling, and I am not talking about if this boats a rockin...

Looks like transporting over land is not on your "really want to" list, of course the West Coast has maybe fewer than 100 boats in this size/year/style so this might have to be reconsidered. Even opening up MI and WI would be helpful. I love fresh water boats. Just a thought.

I am trying to recall your specifications but there are a few West Coast boats that you have not mentioned that may be of interest.
2009 58' Riviera in Zooport Beach

If you are looking at the Marquis there is a Meridian 5800 2010 that may need a quick check on. Yes, another bath tub boat She is in Seattle though. One in Portland too and I could have a look if you want.

I see a 2007 Manhattan 60 too.

2007 Azimut 62S is another interesting Cat powered get up and go bigger boat.

Along the lines of Navigator, what about Tollycraft? A bit older but at least the owners that I know always love their Tolly's. I think their 62 Raised Pilot House were Detroit powered.

Thanks for allowing me to have fun shopping with you! Like you I LuvBigBoats, well I LuvBoatsPeriod.

Why are you avoiding MAN's? The common rails are GREAT running engines. Smooth, quieter (than CATS), more fuel efficient, reliable and when you factor in changing the aftercoolers every 6 years on CATS, no costlier to maintain.

I just dealt with 2 owners here that bought boats in FL and shipped to CA. If they're in a corporation anywhere for over 2 years and brought to CA you avoid the sales tax also, so long as the corporation stays the same, is what I'm told by one buyer.

A lot of yachts are in LLC's or Corporations, simply to shield the owner from liability. The one I managed was and the CA owner bought it and the LLC.

Yes, it is a CAT mandate for all modern CATS (built in the last 20 years +/-) and necessary.

The MAN service really is not that expensive. The dealer just did a set of 1200 HP common rails for me. $5900 for oil/filters/all fuel filters, ZF gear oil and filters, generator-oil/filter, fuel filters, impellers, etc. Including travel time, labor, parts, etc. They have a 400 hour service interval (or annual) versus 250 hours for CATS, sadly we only had 75 hours in a year due to covid.

I just paid $2,000 for QSB 5.9s, plus 10kw Koehler gender service. Oils, fluids, impellers, primary and secondary fuel filters, oils filter and anodes.
That is at the yard so not travel as well.

Routine oil changes / zincs shouldn’t be that expensive. I pay about $3500 on the 1650hp C32s. Doesn’t include the gens which I do myself but that’s an hour each and minimal parts

when I used to do the oil change myself on the C32s or 3412Es, oil and parts was about $1400/1500

now, where MANs get expensive is for interval services. Advice to any buyer considering them is to look at the service schedule and call up your local man shop and ask for a quote on these services. Then compare.

Aftercoolers on 3412s don’t have to be replaced every 6 years. When the 1400hp 3412 boat I used to run sold with 5500 hours, the 13 year old aftercoolers where original. Buyers sold the boat after a couple of years but at that time he had not have to do any significant work on the engines

we replaced the Aftercoolers on the C32 boat i run 4 1/2 years upon purchase Because they were the original style. The Cat specialist I use mentioned the new cores are much better and will probably not require replacement every 5 or 6 years. Will decide then. We average 400/500 hours a year so even if we do them at 6 year, the cost per hour is no big deal.

Even if you add 6 year aftercooler replacement, I m pretty sure the overall costs will still be lower than MANs

This is my situation and have been advised by our lawyers (Wenthur in San Diego, this is their specialty) that we owe no CA sales tax. We were able to find a lot of boats in FL that were already in sole asset LLCs. FYI.

Anything with a C in front of the model needs the aftercoolers changed every 6 years........regardless of new style or old style or etc. I had a C32 with the new style aftercoolers..... motor was a 2016 and 18 months old needed a rebuild because the aftercooler leaked......It's just the cost of doing business with Cats. At 3000 hours in 6 years time, I wouldn't considering doing anything but changing them.

Keep in mind I'm quoting dealer prices to service the MANS, not an independant outfit. I just did a service on a brand new set of C32's and it was about the same as the V8 1200 mans, only about 15% cheaper. There was 16 hours of labor on the MAN oil change at $130 hour......also keep in mind the ZF gear filters are $100 each x2. And yeah you're paying a little over $200 per 5 gallons of synthetic oil, but none of the MAN's I run use ANY between oil changes.

You can't even begin to compare the maintenance cost on a small QSB with that of a Cat C18/C32/MAN 1000hp or more.....the parts are just more of them and a lot more oil due to the size of the motors. MAN's don't have after cooler issues......most owners only do the 1000 hour service at 1000 hours or around every 6-8 years on them (versus the factory calling for 2). Not any different when you figure changing aftercoolers every 6 years on CATS. I also have the heads coming off of a 2020 set of C18's with 250 hours next week due to oil leaking from them (minor but under warranty) and they're 330lbs each. Of all the sets of MAN's I've run and managed, I've never had anything that needed to be fixed internally......aside from routine maintenance. No unusual overhauls, no heads coming off, etc. etc......

Parts on MAN's are a little more expensive, you can get them from a place in Houston at a better price. But CAT/MTU/Cummins parts prices on wearables are all creeping up.

I just bought $6k worth of C32 wearables from the local dealer for 3 services on a new set of C32's, this did not include ANY oil, with a resale certificate/business license etc. and they give a business no discount at all on the parts........GREAT...... So about $1500-2k an oil change PLUS the oil which is around 50 gallons I think. I bought 3 sets of fuel/oil filters, 3 sets of zincs, 2 sets of impellors, 2 sets of belts, and whatever else thats needed to change oil, no air filters, no oil.

It also depends on usage, if you're putting a lot of hours on per year like Pascal, with MAN's you're doing the service every 400 hours instead of every 250 hours with the C 32's, so it's actually cheaper to maintain the MAN's due to the prolonged service interval.

I have a customer that bought a 20 year old Post, from another forum member here, I think the engines had around 1600 hours on them. The boat has been from Michigan to Key West and back to Fort Lauderdale since May and 200 hours of usage, not one single hiccup with the MANs, nothing.

1. I believe they are, but a quick call to a CAT dealer can confirm this and #4.

2. YES, any good DIESEL mechanic can, same with CAT etc. Nothing unique on MAN's other than knowing how to change the oil filters without making a mess, but any mechanic around diesels would know how to.

3. Series 60 yes, I had a set of aftercoolers go bad on the 800 HP ones at 220 hours and 3 years old. Volvo's not sure, but they're probably even more expensive to service than MAN's or the same, HP for HP. A small D6 has 3 oil filters at around $75 each, 2 secondary fuel filters at around $75 each, and a few other things per oil change.......

4. call CAT dealer

Really, I think you're making a bigger deal out of the cost of servicing the engines. The boats vary so much that choice of boat would makes an incredibly bigger change on cost of maintenance. Buy a Fleming/Marlow etc. fast trawler with acres of varnished wood outside, and the price of servicing a set of MAN's is a drop in the bucket compared to just maintaining the varnished wood each year!!!!

"2. YES, any good DIESEL mechanic can, same with CAT etc. Nothing unique on MAN's other than knowing how to change the oil filters without making a mess, but any mechanic around diesels would know how to."

If the motor is under warranty that warranty could be voided.

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Suggest adding Galeon 500 Fly to your list also. We just Took delivery of ours Friday in San Diego and Took it to Catalina overnight and then to MDR home slip Saturday. We have been exceptionally pleased so far and this is our first boat with a seakeeper and can’t imagine ever having one without. The innovation, craftsmanship and versatility on the Galeon is exceptional.