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  1. OutMyWindow

    OutMyWindow Senior Member

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    This is part of the master plan, well that and greed of course....
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    New icebreakers to defend 'Canada's Arctic'

    Ottawa - Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced on Monday plans to build six to eight ice-breaking patrol ships to prevent trespass of Canada's northern territories and to reaffirm its claim to the disputed Arctic.

    "Canada's Arctic is central to our national identity as a northern nation. It is part of our history. And it represents the tremendous potential of our future," Harper said in a speech from a navy base on the Pacific coast.

    "Canada has a choice when it comes to defending our sovereignty over the Arctic. We either use it or lose it. And make no mistake, this government intends to use it," he said in Esquimalt, British Columbia.

    Canada is at odds over parts of the Arctic region with the United States, Russia, Denmark and Norway.

    The disputes have grown in importance as scientists believe that warming could open up the famed North-west Passage to year-round cargo shipping by 2050, and could also open up the Arctic for exploitation of resources like oil and natural gas.

    A North-west Passage open year-round would reduce the sea trip from London to Tokyo to 16 000km, against 21 000km via the Suez Canal or 23 000km going through the Panama Canal.


    "More and more, as global commerce routes chart a path to Canada's north and as the oil, gas and minerals of this frontier become more valuable, northern resource development will grow ever more critical to our country," Harper said.

    The custom-designed Polar Class 5 Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships and the establishment of a deep water port in the far north to resupply them will cost C$7,4-billion (about R50-billion) to build and maintain over 25 years, the prime minister said.

    The armed naval vessels with steel-reinforced hulls will be capable of sustained operations in ice up to one-metre thick, and will be used to patrol the length of the Northwest Passage during the summer navigable season and its approaches year-round, he said.
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    The icebreaker rendering is imaginary only, and meant to inflict fear and compliance only.

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  2. NYCAP123

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    So they don't anticipate year round openings until 2050, but they'll spend C$7.4B (a figure which will undoubtedly double) for building and maintaining these vessels through 2035 and push it through their legislature in these economic times? How much in tarrifs do they anticipate collecting from ships transiting the N/W passage in that time and do they really anticipate needing warships to enforce it? Does he happen to have relatives in Alaska that like to build bridges?:rolleyes:
  3. OutMyWindow

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    The passage is navigable in the summer time now, this allows everyone to “stake a claim” to areas that were previously inaccessible, create outposts and what have you.
    In order to explore for oil and gas. Currently the Russians are planting flags on the Ocean’s floor with their subs. This could be the next Middle East as far as reserves are concerned.
    I would assume that ship traffic through the NWP would be a free ride through International treaties.
    40 years or less is not a long time.
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    A couple of days ago the big climate change news was that 500.000 square kilometer of the Arctic Sea Ice had suddenly disappeared!

    Luckily they found it again, it was a satellite sensor malfunction...

    http://www.nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews
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    The Russians Speak Up

    Where does this fit in climatic change?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/19/2495518.htm

    Arctic ice to melt each summer: Russian experts - - By Moscow correspondent Scott Bevan

    A group of Russian climate experts claims that ice in the Arctic could completely melt each summer by the end of this century.

    The climate change experts from Russia's National Meteorological Centre are involved in a new report on climate change and warn of increasing global warming.

    They told a media conference that Russia will feel global warming more than most countries.

    In their latest report, the researchers forecast that the country's average yearly temperatures will increase by 2.6 degrees Celsius by the middle of the century.

    One scientist, Vladimir Katsov, has said it is expected that the Arctic will be free of ice in summer by the end of the century.

    Mr Katsov has said the thickness of ice in the region has been decreasing rapidly and ice in the Arctic could become seasonal.
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    I guess it fit´s in with asking for research funding. Last time he said the same thing was two years ago when refering to the IPCC report. When the ice was at a minimum in sept 07, many said that the summer ice at the North Pole would be gone already in summer 08. It wasn´t.
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    May I suggest that YachtForums sponsor a circumnavigation Expedition through the NWP, with Lars at the helm.:)
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    In 2000, the Canadian 32 m (100 ft) twin-hulled patrol boat Nadon (renamed St Roch II) ran the Northwest Passage from west to east in nine weeks and was never obstructed by ice. On the way it docked at Tuktoyaktuk in the Canadian Arctic and Nuuk in Greenland. This added to the alarm about global warming.[28][29]

    On September 1, 2001, Northabout, an 14.3 m (47 ft) aluminium sailboat with diesel engine,[30] built and captained by Jarlath Cunnane, completed the Northwest Passage east-to-west from Ireland to the Bering Strait. The voyage from the Atlantic to the Pacific was completed in 24 days. The Northabout then cruised in Canada for two years before it returned to Ireland in 2005 via the Northeast Passage thereby completing the first east-to-west circumnavigation of the pole by a single sailboat. The Northeast Passage return along the coast of Russia was slower, starting in 2004, with an ice stop and winter over in Khatanga, Siberia — hence the return to Ireland via the Norwegian coast in October 2005. On January 18, 2006, the Cruising Club of America awarded Jarlath Cunnane their Blue Water Medal, an award for "meritorious seamanship and adventure upon the sea displayed by amateur sailors of all nationalities."

    On July 18, 2003, a father and son team, Richard and Andrew Wood, with Zoe Birchenough, sailed the yacht Norwegian Blue into the Bering Strait. Two months later she sailed into the Davis Strait to become the first British yacht to transit the Northwest Passage from west to east. She also became the only British vessel to complete the Northwest Passage in one season, as well as the only British sailing yacht to return from there to British waters.[31]

    On May 19, 2007, a French sailor, Sébastien Roubinet, and one other crew member left Anchorage, Alaska, in Babouche, a 7.5 m (25 ft) ice catamaran designed to sail on water and slide over ice. The goal was to navigate west to east through the Northwest Passage by sail only. Following a journey of more than 7,200 km (4,474 mi), Roubinet reached Greenland on September 9, 2007, thereby completing the first Northwest Passage voyage made without engine in one season.[32]

    On November 28, 2008, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported that the Canadian Coast Guard confirmed the first commercial ship sailed through the Northwest Passage. In September 2008, the MV Camilla Desgagnés, owned by Desgagnés Transarctik Inc. and, along with the Arctic Cooperative, is part of Nunavut Sealift and Supply Incorporated (NSSI),[52] transported cargo from Montreal to the hamlets of Cambridge Bay, Kugluktuk, Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak. A member of the crew is reported to have claimed that "there was no ice whatsoever". Shipping from the east is to resume in the fall of 2009.[53] Although sealift is an annual feature of the Canadian Arctic this is the first time that the western communities have been serviced from the east.
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    Why not, my ancestors (the Vikings) was doing it when the global warming made it possible a thousand years ago....:)
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    That is true, they were the original discoverers of North America.
    But that was prior to Global Freezing, as archaeologists are still discovering wall paintings and unearthing statuettes of early Vikings sporting grass skirts and what looks like early Tommy Bahama outerwear.
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    Lief Erickson in a grass skirt. Hmmmm.:eek: BTW, why does everyone seem to forget about the folk that came from the west becoming what we now call "Native Americans". How exactly do you "discover" a continent that is already populated?
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    Discovering just means that WE haven’t seen it before.

    I should have added a bunch of :D :D to post #169
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    "original discoverers"? I'll add them.:D :D :D And I'm just Irish ;)
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    Watch out, we may come back if it is getting warmer again..! :cool:

    http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/vineland.htm
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    First let me say in my personal opinion GLOBAL WARMING is the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on mankind.

    Secondly, how can anybody tell me that GLOBAL WARMING should be taken seriously if Al Gore supports it. He would say the sky is falling if he could make money doing it. JMHO
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    There is certainly debate over the causes of global warming and it's eventual effects, but there can be no debate of the fact that it's happening or it's short term effects. All you need do is visit Glacier Bay, Ak or Greenland or check the polar ice caps. The ice is receeding rapidly. Whether the cause is manmade, natural, cyclical, temporary or permanent will no doubt be debated well into the next generation. Whether it's bad or just natural change is open to debate as well. So I ask myself 'What's the downside of not fouling the atmosphere?'.
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    JMHO you probably also think this GLOBAL financial crisis is also a great hoax and millions of people losing jobs worldwide is a way for Al Gore to make more money. At least Al Gore has a brain.

    Open up your eyse and just see whats happening to our polar ice caps and read scientific journals about GLOBAL WARMING. Don't judge a factual situation because of dislike for one individual who happens to be at least trying to make a difference. As the post above mentions that there is no harm in taking precautionary measures whether it is factual, cyclical, man -made.
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    Debate is the greatest impediment to action and is used as a tool for that purpose.:cool:
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    There always will be as long as there is a buck to be made by not caring to do the right thing. Sooner or later you just have to say enough talk and jam it onto them. If they don't like it too bad. Again, is there a down side (other than financial profit) to doing the right thing. Will it make the environmental situation worse to stop polluting? This thread has been going on for 12 pages, 179 posts. Has anybody changed their mind?
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    I don´t think anybody will change their mind in any direction without learning a lot more than what we are feeded with from newsmedia and politicians.

    To learn a little more, here is a recent debate between two pretty well informed guys, William Schlesinger and John Christy, that could be worth an hour and fifteen minutes of your time:

    http://www.johnlocke.org/lockerroom/lockerroom.html?id=18946