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  1. Pamela005

    Pamela005 New Member

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    New thread about this boat
    Having gone through the boat and talked to someone who knows the boat - there is no freshwater pump. The previous owner removed the freshwater pump and accumulator. The boat is a Ocean 46 Sunliner, two heads, two sinks, two showers, galley sink, dishwasher and freshwater hose down. Any thoughts on the pump size? Also would it have been DC or AC?

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  2. Pascal

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    Pretty dumb to remove the pump...

    Most boats have a DC pump but on larger boats you will usually have an AC pump plus a DC back up.

    I ve used Shurflo diaphragm pumps over the years for DC. Get one of the larger ones to supply enough volume. Personally i dont oike the variable speed electronic version and find the pressure switch versions more reliable.

    AC pumps, i have used shallow well pump and find them very reliable although a bit loud. You can find them for $200/300 and they delivr flow and pressure. One of the best AC fresh water pump is probably the Headhunter Mach 5 but they re not cheap
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    I've had a couple of the variable speed pumps, 1 was variable voltage/speed the other was variable valve. Both started out good and both failed within a season &1/2. best off just getting the straight pump and accumulator set up right from the start.
    I'd be suprized if the Sunliner had both AC & DC pumps from the factory.
  4. Capt J

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    What do you have a breaker for? Is it on the AC or DC panel? Where was the pump initially located? Chances are the wiring is still there. Easiest to go with the same location and DC or AC voltage as what was already there.
  5. Pamela005

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    Thank you for jump starting my thinking, the breaker is on the AC. There is no DC breaker.
    The previous owners family and friends said the pump and accumulator were in the same space as the A/C seawater pump and freshwater hot water heater. To keep space open in that compartment I will mount the new accumulator in a compartment that has room for it and the pump where it was originally.
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    Great idea to use a well pump. I am looking into that.

    Something that might be missing is that if I was working on a 30 ft sailboat, I would already know the answers to many of my questions. I already did all this, and more. But a sailboat is not a motor yacht except for understanding which circuits or functions are which. A large motor yacht does have some of the basics, it is the size differences and relying on AC for things that I am not used to. Also, on a sailboat everything is in a space you can find and shove an arm into, including the engine. On that "engine room" is an euphemism. On my Ocean it is a reality.

    Add to the issues is that it is now obvious the boat had a lightning strike. Every time I am on board I find something else that was popped, burned or blownup from the hit. That explains the "electrical gremlins" which is one of the reasons I now own her.
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    Was she surveyed with this in mind. Strikes can wipe out a lot of items, including the hull.......
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    Obviously not disclosed. I'm thinking your in for a rocky road ahead. You have no insurance claim, which the PO should have made.
    This could get very expensive, you might want to check with your lawyer to see what if any recourse you might have. Either with the owner or the survey company. I'm thinking if you can push back to the PO he might be able to file the claim in his name based on timing of the exposure.
    But as they say say this advice is as good as the amount you paid for the advice.
  9. Beau

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    46 without a dc and ac pump?
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    Prolly why the pump is missing. Motors stink like crazy when they've been are cooked.
  11. Pamela005

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    I got her for dock fees, after I looked through her. She does have good bones, there are no exit holes from a strike and she does not leak. The engines have been run so those did not suffer. The only question is the genset, I plan on turning it over and possibly running it this weekend. I expected problems, I was told there were electrical problems, which I am skilled in taking care of. Almost all of the AC circuit breakers are broken, which means fifty or so of them need replacement; i have seen this before with a near hit by lightning at my house and the breakers to the AC took the hit first and saved a lot of computers.

    The previous owner removing the freshwater pump and accumulator after it took a hit is most likely. The seawater pump connection end looked like it was melted with a cutting torch. It is now replaced and the Cruisair units are working normally. The triplex to the pump was not overheated. The only heat damage has been to AC circuits that were plugged in. That includes one of the AC trigger units. A new circuit board is coming in for that. Things like the oven, dishwasher, washer and dryer work, and there is no evidence of them being fried at the connectors.

    I have not seen DC damage, the 8D batteries may have absorbed the hit. Those need replacing due to age.

    Right now I am confident that the damage is limited to the AC circuits and primarily to the outlets or connections that were functioning at the time of the hit or near hit.

    I want to emphasize that I would not have taken on a project boat this size without knowing there are a lot of sailors out in the great internet world with a lot of knowledge and smarts to help people like me. And, I do help others who ask for help in areas I am an expert or experience in. I do have the skills to do almost everything on a boat, but a few things I get good help with, such as the A/C system seawater pump, or the Detroit Diesel mechanics (I used to build performance engines so I do know something about engines), which means if I need help I ask for it.

    Thank you Captains and Skippers for your help. The more I time I spend on the Ocean the more I like her. And, the more I am happy that she might be my retirement home.
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    Thanks for "the rest of the story".
    It's a totally different world when you go into something knowing what you're dealing with.
    Good luck with the restoration.
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    My 42' sunliner had an A/C Flojet water pump only, which meant while underway or at anchor you had to run the generator to have pressure water...P.I.A. And the pump ate up impellers too. I replace the unit with a 12 volt DC Jabsco pump with no accumulator tank and it works just fine. I have city water at the dock which you should have to. Mine is on the deck port side next to the deck steps.
    Not sure if you got my message on where to get those breakers for your panel. Newark element14 has them, they are now made by Eaton.

    Nice roomy boat you have. Is yours the two or three stateroom layout?
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    Also,I forget what size pump I have, but I have everthing you have except the dishwasher and the pump works it all. It's very ,very rare you will have all water systems running at once btw. Go to Jasco's website and snoop around at the different pumps, they will tell you how many faucets roughly you can run off the pump. Also marine suppliers will have insight on the pumps they sell as well.
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  15. Capt J

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    If all of the breakers need to be changed, just have a complete new panel made with modern breakers in it. Much easier.
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    I agree a 12 v is very important unless you want to live on a generator. Maybe that was removed. When I'm gunking out at night, I do not run my genny, so my jabsco diaphragm is a godsend. Lets people sleep in in the morning also before the genny pops off
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    Thank you. I do like the boat for comfort. She is nice and stable. She has the two staterooms, which is one of the reasons I like her. Lots of room and no squeezing in a third. My wash tap is on the starboard side as is the water fill. Being on her is very nice, so much so that I hate to return to work. On my sailboat I don't want to go back to work, but can do it. I will be attaching dock water to her this weekend and then work on a plan to put freshwater pump(s) on her. This is a project of importance, but not the highest this weekend.
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    Thank you. The technician I hired and I are replacing the old with the new as we bring a circuit up. It does make a difference.
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    How would the plumbing go with two pumps? Is there a diverter valve to move the flow from one pump to the other? I am guessing that only one pump at a time would be in use, and the other would be protected from the water flow of the running pump.

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