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  1. YachtForums, Nov 21, 2017
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    That video was a great find SeaLion. I hope our readers share it!

    I've left a LOT of money on the table over the years by not integrating an ad network to YF. The security and privacy concerns outweighed the income. Instead, we have a core group of advertisers that understand the importance of community. Given the amazing content our members have put forward over the years, coupled with a readership that easily exceeds 10 yachting magazines, I had always hoped more builders would be supportive of YF.
  2. YachtForums, Jan 17, 2018
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    Anyone catch the segment on NBC Nightly News last night titled... Facebook is a living, breathing crime scene.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-n...g-crime-scene-says-one-former-manager-n837991
  3. 30West, Jan 17, 2018
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    The media was lying to us long before the internet, it has accelerated immensely with the internet.

    I spent a bit of the '90s in the Middle East, getting daily top-secret briefings of goings-on, from intel officers I was friends with. They were history buffs, and loved telling background stories about how and why things are happening, not just the facts. It was the most entertaining thing going in our desert home, much better than the usual briefs.

    We had CNN and other news on TV, and often what we were briefed didn't match what was on TV. The intel officers explained that reporters make stuff up to get the scoop first, or to have a better story. Once one media outlet runs a story, and people get excited about it, the other outlets have to go with the story that is making money. If it turns out to be dead wrong, they will all look bad if they retract it, so they just keep going with the original story. Until the next exciting story. Rinse and repeat.

    I miss knowing what was really going on, but I don't miss living in a tent in the desert when I wasn't flying.
  4. Kevin, Mar 16, 2018
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    Ran across this today... the words of Chamath Palihapitiya, a former Facebook executive who worked there from 2005 to 2011, tasked primarily with growing the userbase of the platform:

  5. YachtForums, Mar 16, 2018
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    Wow, just WOW! I think I've posted this before, but it's worth repeating...

    I never used Facebook until I established placeholders for YF and JF. The reason for our presence on FB is to keep others from creating unauthorized pages on our behalf, which someone had already done. Eventually I got FB to pull down the fake pages. I put up placeholders to make sure it didn't happen again.

    Frankly, I didn't understand the aversion so many of our members had to Facebook until I became a member. Within a few days of registering I began receiving notifications from Facebook asking me if I knew certain people, or 'friends' as they call it. I was absolutely shocked when I saw who some of these "friends" were. Turns out Facebook gains access to Outlook, internet email services and your smart phones contact databases. Then it sends out notifications to these people, which can compromise your security. In my case, I follow an information redaction protocol due to a security breach in 1997 while working on a government funded research project. Now I was getting 'friend' notifications from people I worked with on this project, all of whom follow the same protocol.

    The problem here is the invasion of privacy that can present serious security concerns for anyone.
  6. SeaLion, Mar 16, 2018
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    I agree Carl! A few things I recommend to friends and family...

    • Don't use Google, except on someone else's device (library, hotel biz center, etc.) Instead use DuckDuckGo.com which doesn't track you.
    • Don't use Chrome browser. Ever. I like Firefox... and use ad and script blocking extensions on your browser.
    • Check out eff.org for some good privacy tools.
    • Don't use gmail, yahoo, comcast (or any other Google/FB/Yahoo/Amazon owned apps) and opt for ProtonMail or other secure options.
    • Don't use Skype or WhatsApp Opt for Wire or Signal (same ownership issue)
    • Use a password manager such as LastPass or 1Password, and use it to change to long complex passwords.
    • Use a VPN to secure your web traffic, ESPECIALLY over wifi. There are a few good vendors.

    These steps are no guarantee but help to make you a little harder target. Even just a couple of these precautions should help, and yes, there is a learning curve for most of these things.
  7. ranger58sb, Mar 18, 2018
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    I suspect most folks assumed Orwell's "Big Brother" would be some kind of government entity. Au contraire. Turns out to be Google, FB, etc.

    -Chris
  8. Kevin, Mar 21, 2018
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  9. YachtForums, Mar 21, 2018
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    Thanks for that link Kevin!

    I attended the USSA Seminar yesterday and came away from it shaking my head. The various panelists were informative, but raised some concerns. It seems our industry is caught up in the herd mentality of social media, thinking they can market yachts like consumer products.

    High net worth people often avoid social media for security reasons; limiting information to shareholders, employees, competitors or those who would target their families. I have to question if any of these panelists have ever met or interviewed someone who actually owns a large yacht. Owners have a far greater business acumen and insight than the industry gives them credit for.

    This may be one of the reasons why we have so many yacht owners as members of YachtForums. They can register under an alias screen name and post without repercussion, while gaining insight to various brands from other owners.
  10. Kevin, Mar 22, 2018
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    Another article that signals the shift in perception of social media: https://jalopnik.com/why-your-favorite-car-channels-are-getting-fed-up-with-1823900084

    TL;DR - Motor Trend, after building up a sizable viewership (5.6 million subscribers) on YouTube, is pulling their entire video library off the site and hosting in themselves. YouTube is no longer worth their time and effort. The YouTube business model does not support premium content. Unless you can manage to produce videos that people want to watch for next to no cost at all, it's not a viable means of distributing media.

    Finally, the almighty "thumbs up" is no longer king!

    'Likes' do not necessarily equal money... whether you're selling yachts, or energy drinks. It puts you name in front of eyes, but awareness only goes so far. There's no commitment in clicking Like.

    A 'Like' is no more useful than seeing a gorgeous woman across the room, while joining a forum is actually getting her number.
  11. YachtForums, Mar 24, 2018
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    Just learned that Elon Musk deleted the Facebook pages for Tesla and SpaceX. Following in his footsteps, I just deleted the Facebook pages for YachtForums and JetForums. I hope others follow suit.
  12. AMG, Mar 26, 2018
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    The Facebook apps seems to be more efficient than you could imagine...

    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...d-as-they-delete-accounts-cambridge-analytica


    Luckily I have never had a Facebook account or with Twitter or Instagram or anything like that. Feels good today...
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  13. YachtForums, Mar 26, 2018
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    Recording calls and texts without notifying their customers that personal information, interests and thoughts are being sold off to companies that are developing behavioral pattern algorithms? This whole thing is straight out of a George Orwell novel!!!
  14. Kevin, Mar 27, 2018
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    1984 - George Orwell

    I read that back in 9th grade, but didn't appreciate it at the time... probably due to read it again.
  15. KM1125, Mar 27, 2018
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    Congrats! I also clicked on the Facebook "Like" button at the bottom of the page! ;)
  16. YachtForums, Mar 27, 2018
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    A member of YF just sent this link. Facebook helped Oboma win a re-election because FB "was on their side"...

  17. ranger58sb, Mar 27, 2018
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    Yep. See post #29.

    -C
  18. KM1125, Mar 28, 2018
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    Certainly don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but you wonder why nobody isn't looking into that support as "in-kind" donations to candidates (which I believe is illegal if not reported), as it would have been VERY expensive for them if they had to pay.

    Kudos to you for pulling the plug on Facebook. I was surprised by the big push over the last 5-6 years where most companies were told they're "required" to be on Facebook or Twitter or "you won't survive".

    We really need the "Bill of Rights" to be amended to include the control of your personal information! ;)
  19. Kevin, Mar 28, 2018
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    I was reading an article over breakfast (but can't find the link now :rolleyes:) about the Facebook app logging calls and text messages. It turns out it was only an Android problem, because Google openly allowed it. Apple specifically prohibits that kind of "integration" so the iOS versions of the FB app couldn't do it even if though they tried.

    This article (LINK) specifically talks about the Android problem, but doesn't explain the differences with iOS.
  20. AMG, Mar 28, 2018
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    True, but Apple have their own strange things these days, when you update the IOS they are making a backup of your phone to their Cloud..? In the past you made your own backup to your computer, which I would prefer. Now it was possible to delete this cloud backup, at least this is what I tried, but you never know what is left there... The result is anyway that I have now stopped doing OS updates with both my iPhone, Ipad and Macs...
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