Click for Llebroc Click for Lurssen Click for Burger Click for Mag Bay Click for Westport

Chris Craft Roamer Derecktor series

Discussion in 'Chris Craft Roamer Yacht' started by matowakan1, Apr 5, 2010.

You need to be registered and signed in to view this content.
  1. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio
    I am new to the forum so please bare with me if I violate some protocol but I am in need of some advice. I currently operate a Chris Commander 410 that I have restored over the past year and am considering upgrading to a larger craft. I have seen information on the 68 and 74 ft Roamers with the later having the name Derecktor attached. They are aluminum and I know next to nothing about them. I enjoy restoring these craft to their former glory. What do I need to know to start? How thick are the hulls, what are the costs to restore the main deck ect? ny help will be appreciated.
    Very Respectfully
    Matowakan1
  2. The Hedgehog

    The Hedgehog New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    51
    Location:
    Tennessee
    I have a 60 foot Derecktor Roamer. It is some heavy stuff.

    Big fun and heavy duty
  3. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio

    What can you tell me about this series? How thick are the hulls? I am trying to get design and technical data so I can evaulate the hull condition. She has detroit 12V71ta engines. ny thoughts about these> She has been out of the water since 2007.
    Matowakan
  4. The Hedgehog

    The Hedgehog New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    51
    Location:
    Tennessee
    It is 5086 Aluminum. Heavy stuff. Look around on the site and someone can give you the exact thickness. I had a Marinette and was happy with it. This is a much heavier gauge.

    If you are not familiar with the hull, get a good surveyor. If properly maintained, you should be fine. The nice thing is that it won't blister or delaminate.

    I have 1271's in mine. They are bullet proof and way more than enough for my hull. You can push much more boat with them.
  5. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio

    The one I am looking at is apparently a rare 74ft model. I have a surveyor on her today doing a preliminary evaluation before we decide on an offer. I know her main deck has to be repaired; she has several leaks in it from rain pooling over the last few years. She has mahogany plywood deck covered with fiberglass. Any thoughs on the replacement costs per ft? I am now finishing a 1980 410 Commander rebuild and really look forward to restoring this girl if she is seaworthy.
    Matowakan
  6. Kiwipushrod

    Kiwipushrod New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2010
    Messages:
    52
    Location:
    Trempeleau Wisconsin
    Hey matowakan1, Welcome to the forum!

    I've read that the Roamer 37' Aluminium hulls are .220" thick. I dont know if that would transfer over to a 74'.

    Read thru Homers restoration of His 37' Aluminium, to give You an idea. Link below.
    http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/chris-craft-roamer-discussion/12468-38-riviera-restoration.html

    If You look around in the boat, You might get lucky and find some of the original literature. As far as cost per foot, that depends on Who, What, Where and how good or bad it is. And as the oldtimers say, double or triple Your first estimate. How about some pictures?

    Kiwi
  7. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio
    As soon as I get some photos I'll postem.
    Matowakan1
  8. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio
    74ft Roamer

    Guys,
    Here are some photos. I have a suveyor on her now. I will not see her until the 7th then we will do a more complete evaluation. She has been "rid hard-n-put away wet" A project but if the hull and mechanicals are good probably worth the effort. Does anyone know if there are any of the limited number of true 73/74 footers out there? I think there were only 4 or five hull ever made.
    Larry

    Attached Files:

  9. The Hedgehog

    The Hedgehog New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    51
    Location:
    Tennessee
    You are the man!

    I hope that all checks out because I would love to see this come to life.

    My 60 is out for a bottom job. I am going to check on her today.

    More pics please.
  10. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio
    Others

    As soon as I get some better shots I'll postem. Do you know of anyother 73-74ft Roamers out there. I have got some information from the Museum but even their records are sparse. Seems there were only a few of these big hulls made and fewer still finished as yachts. Only one in 77 and four in 73 but that is not confirmed. If is survive this restoration and my wife doesn't kill me maybe we'll see eachother on the big blue.
    Matowakan
  11. The Hedgehog

    The Hedgehog New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    51
    Location:
    Tennessee
    I dunno. I do know that they are pretty rare. Heck, the 60's are pretty dang rare.
  12. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio
    Are we a dying breed; big Roamer lovers? Since I retired from the Army I have developed a growing addiction to classic Chris Craft.
    Matowakan
  13. The Hedgehog

    The Hedgehog New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    51
    Location:
    Tennessee
    I hope not. I just turned 40 and some of my friend's kids think it is one of the coolest things going.

    All in all, we probably are though.

    One thing is for sure. The classics will ALWAYS be in style. Take the classic Donzi. A 2009 classic 18 still commands respect. Not quite as much a my restored 1973 X-18 though!

    Beauty and perfection never change.
  14. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio
    definitions

    I am still researching the 73-74ft Roamer. My next big bug-a-boo is the definition on style. In the "Essential Guide" Conrad has listed during this period a "1973 Motor Yacht" and a "1977 Flush Deck Motor Yacht". Did CC interchange these terms freely back then? The reason I ask is the boat I am looking at is the spittin image of the 1977 Flush Deck Motor Yacht and does not look at all like the "Motor Yacht" he has on the previous listing. Unfortunately, there are no photos of the 1973 series and all those were listed as "Motor Yachts" not "Flush Deck Motor Yachts". This adds a degree of complexity to the research because some of the numbers suggest the one I am looking at is from the 4 hulls in 1973 yet the completed craft looks like the 1977.

    Do you know anyone who may know if they used these terms interchangably or did the name really define the style?
    Matowakan
  15. New boat!!

    As far as I know the 1973 Roamer and later Roamers by Derektor are two different boats. Is this the boat you are looking at? I can probably dig up some dirt on it! ws

    Vessel Name: SOUTHERN STAR USCG Doc. No.: 561693
    Vessel Service: RECREATIONAL IMO Number: *
    Trade Indicator: Recreational Call Sign: WYP4717
    Hull Material: ALUMINUM Hull Number: *
    Ship Builder: CHRIS CRAFT CORPORATION Year Built: 1974

    Length (ft.): 73
    Hailing Port: BENSENVILLE IL Hull Depth (ft.): 9.4
    Owner: GEORGE V. GATTO
    3009 MEYERS RD
    OAK BROOK, IL 60523 Hull Breadth (ft.): 18
    Gross Tonnage: 82
    Net Tonnage: 66
    Documentation Issuance Date: September 23, 2009 Documentation Expiration Date: October 31, 2010

    Previous Vessel Names: No Vessel Name Changes Previous Vessel Owners: No Vessel Owner Changes
  16. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio
    No, The one I am looking at has been in the yard since 2007. She is in rough shape but it looks like her hull, engines, generators and electrical are ok. She is currently in RI and answers to "Bon Moyage". If you have a copy of Jerry Conrad's book, Chris Craft, The Essential Guide; she looks identical to the one on page 621, hull number RAP-74-505. One an old survey, however, they have her number as RMP-73-505.1. There are no photos and she looks nothing like the 74 on page 620 listed as a "Motor Yacht". The specs are wt. 103,000 beam 18.25ft and 1900 gal fuel capacity. Those are not numbers for the 73 but for the 74 and for the flush deck. I think the survey document from 2000 is wrong and they simply transposed the 73 numbers for the 74 and never checked. I am trying to get engine numbers to cvross reference.
    Matowakan
  17. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio
    Moving Forward

    I spent two days on this boat last week with a surveyor doing a preliminary evaluation. She is rough but worth the effort. We palced an offer for her today. Should know something next week. How can I fix a few thing areas in the aluminum hull? Not out of specs yet but close. Does anyone have experience with CAPAC isolators? They are on the boat but the last real captain she had says he never used them and only relied on zincs?
    Matowakan
  18. The Hedgehog

    The Hedgehog New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    51
    Location:
    Tennessee
    I use the CAPAC isolators. I think that they are a good idea. I would like to know how to recalibrate them.

    Also, how goes the purchase?
  19. matowakan1

    matowakan1 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Belpre Ohio
    Offre has been tendered and we await the owners response. Should know this week. Turns out the true owner is a former Navy Seal from the same world I spent my career in. I am retired Special Forces and know many of the same guys this fellow does. Small world.

    The reason I asked about the CAPAC is one individual made a coment that he would never use them on an aluminum boat relying instead on zincs. Not sure why he said that but seemed strange to me.

    How is you craft coming along? I am on my Commander 410 right now.

    Matowakan1
  20. q240z

    q240z New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2007
    Messages:
    288
    Location:
    zsedr
    Matowakan1, this is the 74 footer on Yacht World for $95k, isn't it?

    One problem I know about on the wooden deck Roamers is that the seam compound eventually lets loose. Then water gets into the deck underlayment and rots it out. Water also gets between the plywood and the deck supports that run around the perimeter of the deck, and both the wood and the aluminum rot. A buddy's 58 footer actually had holes through the deck support from that problem.

    It appears as if this boat had the same problem, but the fiberglass deck they installed doesn't look like it was well done. Redoing it could be a massive undertaking, especially if water has gotten into the deck and underlayment. Several of the interior shots show water damage--I'm guessing the deck has been leaking for some time. There could be lots of rot to deal with.

    But the hull, engines, and mechanical systems look good in the pix.