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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Pascal, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. MBY

    MBY Senior Member

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    If its the yellow boat it won't have a side or transom door. We didn't do a door until hull 12.
  2. Pascal

    Pascal Senior Member

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    Yes it is. That’s a shame. I may look at it when we get back from the Exumas since it s right in coconut grove. Maybe the transom height make it easy enough to get to the water
  3. echo charlie

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    Thanks Capt J
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    Pursuits have had terrific tooling while under the aegis of the Slikker family, it has been good high quality brand. I am not sure if anyone mentioned Edgewater, I think they are also a reputable brand. They seemed fine to me at boat shows.

    I own a newish Cobia -- it is only so so, some of the hardware is undersized. I also own an older Grady White 283 -- pretty good quality but I have heard the brand has not kept up with Southport, Pursuit, Edgewater, Boston Whaler, Intrepid and other top-quality names in terms of vacuum-bagging and high-end resins.

    A friend has had nothing but trouble with his Scout 42 but I do not know if his experience is typical of the brand. Everglades is a good brand but to my eyes, many models have unusually low freeboard and I think they seem quite fishing-oriented. A family member had a Regulator -- a 28? -- it was a good running boat but he did not like it much. The bow seating had low backrests which was uncomfortable after a while. Don't know where Robalo fits in -- I think it may be like Cobia, a mid-tier boat.

    Someone mentioned the Boston Whaler 35 Realm -- they are really well set up for big groups and day outings. They are heavy and need a lot of horsepower. They do use Mercs, however.
  5. Norseman

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    They are indeed a reputable brand, but..
    My neighbor bought a new 24’ CC with twin Yammie 150s.
    Been on the boat several times for pleasure cruises and thought it was good stuff.
    One day, after heavy rain, the boat took on water and rolled over at the dock.
    (Only the dock lines prevented a complete sink-to-the-bottom.)
    Typical Emergency call to Sea Tow and Emergency Haulout at the nearest yard.
    I am a bit fuzzy on the details, but the self draining cockpit did indeed drain, yet the boat only had 1 small bilge pump and it got overwhelmed.
    (Owner is not a “boater”, he did not install extra bilge pumps, more batteries, etc. Neither did he have insurance.)
    With Edgewater being a premium brand, I would expect more redundancy and better systems.
    My buddy bought the boat about 4 years ago brand new, at a hefty price.
    I would expect bigger batteries and more bilge pumps included with a “Premium” boat.
    I will probably get a medium size CC on my old days, Edgewater will not be on the list.
  6. bayoubud

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    We have 158cs Edgewater for a tender, half the size Pascal needs but are a quality unsinkable boat with all top quality components. Rides very good for a 15' cc. The new 37 is rated for 16 people. I would not hesitate to buy a larger one if needed.
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    Edgewater is unsinkable with quality components?
    Will ask my neighbor to elaborate on that after his Edgewater roller over and almost sank, only the dock lines kept it from disappearing for good. o_O
  8. Capt J

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    Well, it could have sank from dead batteries also. Just because a builder only puts 1 bilge pump on that size boat, does not mean the owner cannot add another one, or a battery charger......or check on his boat often......center consoles generally don't sink in a day or two even if the bilge pump isn't working. Should it have had 2 pumps, yeah........perhaps it was an option for 2, or they just didn't put 2......IDK.
  9. bstet

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    Boats don't sink from the batteries being dead, they sink from taking on water.
  10. Pascal

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    Bilge pumps are a pet peeve of mine and I never understand why pretty much every builder skimps on pumping capacity. I put 3 rule 2000 on my little 26’ gaffer... I ve seen 32-34 CC listings with just 2 2000... whatever we pick will have an extra 3700 for emergencies.

    that said, how does a self draining cockpit boat takes on water? Scuppers clogged by leaves? Unlocked floor hatch?

    a loud high water alarm seems to be a must on open boats and easy to set up.
  11. bayoubud

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    I doubt it would sink with the bilge being foamed. Not sure how that much water drained in the bilge unless the deck drains were trashed. Not much open bilge on ours to pump out. I guess you could add a redundant pump/ battery, but you would need to maintain it. Sounds like your neighbor had a weak battery due to lack of maintenance and trashed deck drains.
  12. Norseman

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    No, boat is maintained good, had a battery charger installed, no leaves clogging the deck drains.
    The whole thing is a mystery, will ask him for an update, but he speculated a seam had failed, let water in the hull and the single bilge pump failed or being overwhelmed.

    Lived on a canal 21 years, seem quite a few boats sink from dead batteries and/or failed bilge pumps.

    On my own 17’ Cobia CC canal cruiser I have 2 AGM batteries and 2 automatic bilge pumps. On my primary boat I have 3 batteries and 3 automatic bilge pumps.
    Sleep better at night because of it.
  13. bayoubud

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    Ours only has one thru=hull, the bilge drain on the transom. The only other possible openings are pop-out inspection plate on the bow deck and motor well. The 24 footer may have a raw water washdown, bait well or hatch leak? Should not be hard to find on a 24 footer.
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    Asked him today, still no idea why it took on water and rolled over, the yard could not figure it out either. Needless to say, he installed an additional automatic bilge pump and replaced the factory pump.
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    Re: Edgewater being unsinkable. I won't speculate on the scupper issue, but just because a boat is "unsinkable" doesn't mean it won't turtle and remain just at the surface.
  16. YachtForums

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    Spotted a nice center console prominently displayed out front of Jupiter Pointe Marina. I use an old-school tool to measure build quality... I knock the hull with my knuckles. If it hurts, it's built well. Barrett, you owe me a band-aid.

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