Discussion in 'Yacht Captains' started by JustAzimut, Dec 9, 2020.
The pillow talk just made me laugh and recall this ad...
I was thinking more about the plan and idea about the original question,
I see no issue with hiring a captain and or a mechanical engineer as a coach to learn your own vessel and it’s care and handling.
As for the 100GT license goal you could get started at home with time aboard various working vessels. There must be some research vessels, fishing vessels, chartered vessels or even private vessels that would be able to take in a mate for days, weekends or projects. Sea time is what you need as part of this quest.
Hell, sea time is what I need all of the time....
@gr8trn I agree with the sea time. The issue for me with that over the winter, here in the city it's a bit tough to find that. That pushes me into the summer where I am normally on out boat or friends. Once that his, I'll keep logs of every hour.
Should we close in the next 30 days on the big boat, we'll start the relocation to FL and will begin the mechanical/systems education which is far more important to me than the 100GT. The 100GT will be icing on the cake. On a side but related note, both of us have finished all of the 'e-learning' courses, during this **** pandemic, that IYT offers just for the knowledge. I know that e-learning is a touchy subject for some, but for us it was a good refresher and learning tool for things we did and didn't know.
I think that in person courses are better than e-courses, but any education is a good thing. I do however question the prudence of getting a ticket for liability reasons, unless you plan to work in the industry . If anything ever happens lawyers will seize on it to say you should have known better than the average boater. I spent my entire career knowing that my first mistake could cost me my home and everything I have. Even if nothing happened I could be ordered to pee in a cup at any time. You may think that's no problem if you don't take drugs but , especially as you get older, some of your normal prescriptions could put you on the wrong side. Even a poppy seed bagel could do it. Also theoretically, as a merchant marine officer, you could even be pressed into service although that's extremely unlikely.
Eek NYCap!!! You've definitely struck a chord with me. I am very risk averse when it comes to personal liability, etc. I feel almost sheepish that I didn't think about or even research what additional personal liability I would subject myself and my family to by having a ticket. Thank you for that nugget of info.
Now I need to rethink that whole process. I realize that for any recreational/private vessel I need ZERO credentialing and perhaps I'll just continue on as I always have. I'll still employ a capt/engineer to assist me with initial & ongoing systems education as well as prudent piloting but ultimately I am and have always been a hands on owner/operator. As my
This hits me like the Grinch that stole Xmas...
Sorry about that, but start with the fact that you're considered deep pockets. You're rich since you own a yacht. I still remember when the L.I. Lolita case hit the news. All they could talk about was that they used to rendezvous on his "yacht" (an old about 35' cruiser that probably cost him $20,000 at most). Now you're also a professional. Yes please get as much education as you can, but think about and maybe ask a lawyer before you get the license. So maybe I just saved you a bunch of money down the road not to mention what's involved in getting a license. So maybe I just brought the roast beast back to Whoville.
I have discussed with my maritime attorney who calls BS on Nycaps allegations. Only additional risk is you now have a license you can lose. Don't take your legal advice from a former captain on a forum or from anyone else on a forum.
You gave exactly the same advice I gave him: " and maybe ask a lawyer before you get the license", but I might add to get the advice from his own lawyer not 2nd hand from someone else's and one that handles liability cases. If I have my friend rewire an outlet and it burns my house down I've got a problem. If I have a licensed electrician rewire an outlet and it burns my house down he's got a problem.
He has a problem in either case. In fact, a greater problem if he's not licensed as then he's broken a law.
Rules of the road are rules of the road. Doesn't matter whether or not you have a license, that is up to the point where you engage in commerce or enter regulated waters. For a couple living and cruising aboard, the license is going to do nothing but provide you with the additional comfort of knowing that you have checked the boxes. I've been around plenty of captains with tickets that I wouldn't feel comfortable relying upon. A ticket isn't a panacea.
You only step into a liability zone if you're engaged in commerce. That's my perspective.
In SoFla the owner has broken the law, too, for not pulling a permit.
What law? Unless someone holds themselves out to being licensed there's no law that says you can't work on your own electric service or help a friend if you're not charging. You may be violating a local code, and that will screw you with your insurance company, but unless it's a commercial operation no laws are broken. Professionals and commercial operations are held to a higher standard, which is what my advice was given to point out. But advice on a forum is just that; advice from people with experience someone else may not have. It's given to help someone think of what they may not have on their own. If you want advice you can take to the bank, you have to pay for it same as if you want a guarantee that your electrical work is done correctly you hire an electrician. However there's no need to pay for every piece of advice most people need. They just need help thinking of things they might not have on their own. In my own world I always operated as a captain who welcomed the thoughts of my crew and others. 99% of the time I was right and they were wrong simply because of my experience, but if that 1% saved me from doing something stupid it was worth considering.
Before there were, and where there aren't Good Samaritan laws doctors were hesitant to stop at accident scenes to render aid, because they were very likely to be sued. Professional credentials bring professional responsibilities whether you charge or not.
And when was the last time you heard of someone pulling a permit or getting arrested for changing out a light switch?
Are you two fighting over me?! I feel like the luckiest guy at the dance!
I appreciate both of you giving advice and opinions. If I wasn't looking for industry specific input into what I am trying to do, I wouldn't have put it out there. I feel this forum is probably one of the most no-nonsense group of experienced BIG boat professionals out there.
Regardless of current credential status, the bulk of the individuals here give real world experiences freely and it's pretty easy to separate deduction from conjecture.
On a related note. We're now under contract.
Congratulations on getting to the first happiest day in a boater's life.
Hahaha!! We've had a few of those days as well as the other happiest day.
Now...I need to run over to the part of the forum that has the SE FL marinas and tenders. Let's see which one of you are going to try and talk me out of towing our current SR 480 as a tender.....
I think you'll figure out the tender situation fairly quick. As for the So.Fl. marinas say where you want to be and I think you'll get some good recommendations.
Thanks again NYCAP! We've pretty much settled on a tender. That was a bit cheeky on my end. As far as marinas, we know after we close we have a month to find a new marina. I would prefer something near where it is for a few months which is the South Miami area. Do I think that will happen? Not likely, so I am open to pretty much any decent hole from Stuart-ish, south. I know we'll be in a marina for several months prior to us leaving for on the hook living. We have some refitting to do aesthetically so a working marina is a must as well as a pretty liberal stay aboard, borderline liveaboard capability. Amenities aren't really that important. We can drive where we need to but I am not overly excited to spend half of a day traversing inland rivers to get to the big water.
We aren't interested in signing up for a year lease anywhere. 6 months should suffice.
If anyone has any input, I'll be more than happy to follow up on most if not all options.
6' Draft fully loaded