The 24m comes from post 11. I read just fine although maybe, specifically for your benefit, I should have said 24m PLUS. I think most half-way intelligent and less picayune readers understood that my question was not relating to size, but was asking (and not stating) if he was referring to sail since he used that phrase. Although you "sailed" on a submarine most of us "cruise" on cruisers and motoryachts. Now maybe you should try giving DONUT the specific answer to the question he is asking since you know all. That's as much time as I'm wasting on you in this thread.