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  1. twnich

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    Most states have reciprocal agreements with regard to Concealed Carry Permits.
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    Hi,

    Do the words Miami River Cops ring any bells here?
  3. NYCAP123

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    Been to Georgia lately:
    "State Requirements
    Rifles and Shotguns

    Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No

    Registration of rifles and shotguns? No

    Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No

    Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

    Handguns

    Permit to purchase handgun? No

    Registration of handguns? No

    Licensing of owners of handguns? No

    Permit to carry handguns? Yes.
    Purchase And Possession:
    No state permit is required for the purchase or possession of a shotgun, rifle, or handgun."
  4. K1W1

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    Hi,

    I am getting a bit older and might need glasses but don't think my eyesight has deteriorated so far that I am missing the words Assault Weapons in the list.

    As I once had to explain to a less than well versed Customs Officer in NZ a lever action rifle is not a semi automatic weapon and that a semi auto (long barrel) shotgun was not an assault weapon unless you are a duck, rabbit or possum.

    There is nothing on your list Ed that indicates there is any factual support of your earlier claim of a cheap permit for full auto weapons. Neither a Rifle nor a shotgun is fully automatic AFAIK.
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    Nothing wrong with your eyesight. To the best of my knowledge the was no definition of assault weapons prior to 1994 and the federal ban expired in 2004. I believe that in Georgia they are considered rifles or handguns and subject to the same scrutiny or lack thereof. Local jurisdictions do have restrictions though. I believe (could be wrong) that in NY a semi-auto is not permitted to be loaded with more than 8 rounds in a clip.
    BTW, the $5 was an absolute exageration. I have no idea how much, if anything, anyone charges. In fact, in Georgia there seems to be no fee since they don't have to be registered at all.
  6. Capt J

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    Ok. let me clarify this because there are some things that are wrong here. If you are not knowledgable about firearms, or the ownership of firearms, you should not be making judgements about them. I can guarantee you've never even picked up an m16 or similar "evil black rifle" in person.

    A firearms permit is nothing more then a way for your state to TAX people for exercising their constitutional rights. All firearm sales are subject to an FBI background check regardless of permit in every state. The only thing NY does is add a handsome tax onto people owning firearms, just like they've done with cigarettes, alcohol, etc etc......

    For a fully auto weapon, which is what most people really consider an assault weapon, it is considered Class III federally which supersedes state laws and is subject to a $300 tax stamp, a huge background check and about a 3 month wait until you get granted a tax stamp/permit to own one. Same with a silenced weapon, short barreled rifle, etc.

    A normal assault rifle Semi-Auto is nothing more then a semi-auto rifle with a large magazine. It has to have an 18" barrel, and isn't much more compact than any hunting rifle. You could have a hunting rifle with a 30 round magazine, such as your Grandpa's remington and have it be just as effective. In effectiveness it may be slightly easier to swing around and such over a hunting rifle, but is still nothing more then a semi-auto rifle with a large magazine and really still a rifle. The m16 you can buy, is not what the military uses in Iraq, it does not have a switch that says 1 round, 3 round burst, nor full auto on the side of it.

    All firearms purchases are subject to an FBI background check and waiting period, unless you have a carry permit which means you were already subjected to the FBI background check etc. in any state. Florida for example has a 5 business day waiting period before you take the gun home. All firearms that are sold by a dealer or business are registered with the ATF when they are sold in every state. Person to person sales are not in some states as long as buyer and seller are in the same state, such as if you buy one from your buddy next door. However when he bought it, it was registered to him and if it's used in a crime they are going to go to him, which he will usually then send them to you. If it is sold person to person across state lines, it still has to go through a firearms dealer, get registered, and the buyer has to go through a background check.
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    Word.
    I had a mate job on a yacht based at Jones Boatyard when this was going down right down the road.
    I quit and went back to the Virgin Islands!
  8. twnich

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    What Capt J said...

    ...with the exception of the tax stamp for Class III weapons is $200.00. (Unless the fee went up recently.)

    In addition...many states permit ownership of fully automatic weapons. I live in FL and have a couple. They have the appropriate Federal Tax stamp, and are perfectly legal to own.

    And I can guarantee that if a bad guy attempts to board my vessel, it will likely be the last thing he does in this life.

    BTW, in the state of FL, there is no "permit" required to have a firearm on board your boat, or in your car, or in your home. To carry a firearm, a concealed permit is required.
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    As Capt J explained, ownership of a fully automatic weapon is legal after one purchases a Federal Tax stamp for the weapon, and submits to a lengthy process through the BATF. Some states do not permit their residents owning a fully automatic weapon, many do. Those who permit such ownership do not charge any "fee" as far as I know.

    "Assault rifle" is a made up term designed to elicit an emotional reaction to a certain type of semi automatic rifle that looks scary. My AR-15s are no more lethal than a typical semi automatic hunting rifle. They just look different. But they do the same thing. The assault rifle ban was a silly piece of political theater that accomplished absolutely nothing.

    I'm actually a pretty liberal guy, but I like my guns...
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    Not exactly Cap J, you're only half right. FYI the mini-30 isn't .308, it's 7.62x39mm while .308 is 7.62x51mm which is why I said .308 instead of 7.62 in hopes of avoiding confusion. Most folks tend to think of an AK-47 when they hear 7.62 but it shoots the same as a mini-30, 7.62x39mm. A .308 is more powerful at 7.62x51mm. The wife has a Mini 14 with the stainless barrel and ten 30-round Ruger magazines. It has the same power of an M-16 but without the scary tactical look. I have a custom built Springfield Armory M1 Socom 16, which is basically the venerable M14 with a short barrel. Yes, I know the Socom is only available with a black synthetic stock but if you know someone at Springfield that will hand pick a tiger-stripe walnut stock for you it makes for a beautiful one of a kind factory built non-scary "classic hunting rifle" look with all the power of a sniper rifle combined with the portability of the best of todays tactical rifles.

    These should serve to keep any pirates at bay if the need ever arises. While I am confidant that the Socom can disable an outboard from quite a distance away, the real challenge is if I can be a good enough shot to be able to hit the outboard on a moving target while shooting from a moving platform! If not, maybe the two rapid-fire weapons will convince them to pick an easier target. Hopefully I will never have to find out and these rifles will always stay in their cases except when we take them to the range for practice. Like the old saying goes, "I'd rather have a gun and not need one than need a gun and not have one."
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    As for gun laws:

    http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/state-laws/29th-edition/

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/

    http://www.panda.com/canadaguns/#restricted

    And the above are just primers for onshore firearm ownership in North America. Offshore, let alone regularly entering and leaving other countries, gets progressively more insane, often with "throw the key away" immediate jailtime included.

    Finally, if you are not rigorously trained in firearms self defense/combat use, they are way more likely to be a liability rather than an asset.


    Anderschou
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    Hi,

    ThirdHatt - Have you ever put a couple of hundred rounds in quick succession through your SS Mini 14?

    I have found that this is a great way to split the little stainless clamp that is at the front of the stock and goes over the barrel. I had one welded once which didn't last very well so it now sports a blue one and has not fallen apart recently. This might have something to do with the fact that I no longer have one of these http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/Products/mwgcompany/mini14-90roundmag/mini14-90roundmag.html

    Another little point with it is it's ability to shoot anywhere in a 10 ft circle at anything over 50 ft once it is smoking hot.

    AFAIR 7.62 X 39 is often referred to as Short .308" where as 7.62 x 51 is the Std Dimension, it is the 7.62 ( the calibre) part that gives you the .308" not the length of the round.
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    K1W1, I appreciate the info on the Mini. I know that the Mini-14 is far from perfect but it has been around for a long time, offers alot of bang for the buck and is well suited for a ranch rifle if not so much as a continuous rapid fire weapon. To answer your question though no, I have not shot more than one 30-round magazine quickly through the mini. I got the stainless just because I felt that it would hold up better in the marine environment. I consider my Socom 16 the main (distance) defense rifle for the boat and it has no weaknesses or deficiencies at all that I am aware of because it was designed for heavy combat. It was just that when I got the Socom the wife was like, "What am I supposed to shoot?" I felt that the Mini-14 was a good lightweight easy to handle rifle for her and came with an attractive wooden stock. I doubt she will ever run more than a 30-round magazine or two through it quickly. She handles it quite well, shoots nice 10-12" groups at 100yds (not rapid fire of course) and is very comfortable with it. Besides, it makes her feel safe and that is important to me.

    I have never heard of a "short .308" before, but I am no ammo expert. I did a quick Google search and it turned up nothing about a "short .308", just links comparing and contrasting the differences of "7.62x39mm vs. .308". Either way, I said ".308" and nothing about short so hopefully it would be understood that I was referring to the standard dimension.
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    Yes and no, .308 might be the diameter of the round. But there is a specific round called a .308 and it comes in whatever length it comes in (I don't know). just like .45 acp is a certain round.
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    The specific round called .308 is the commercial version of the military 7.62x51mm.

    Here is what Wiki has to say about the .308:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.308_Winchester
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    Guys, this is starting to sound more like an online version of Guns & Ammo magazine than a thread on boat security. Have't even seen the word boat in quite a while.
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    Well, a lot of yachts have a firearm on board for boat security and it is the most popular form of securing a yacht from pirates. Talking about what each yacht owner chose to use to secure his/her yacht is well within the realm of yacht security as what firearm one chose for their yacht, might work well for someone else's yacht.

    I don't think I would choose to use an Orion flare gun to secure a yacht from pirates, unless it's the only thing I had. Speaking of which I've seen a company that makes an insert for an orion flare gun so that it will shoot a shotgun shell.