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Another Newb ? on which boat to buy

Discussion in 'General Sportfish Discussion' started by lots2learn, Jul 16, 2009.

  1. jhartog

    jhartog New Member

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    Trojan ?

    Another boat not often mentioned that was heavily built and offered a lot for the money is a Trojan Express cruiser 10.8 meter or 11 meter. Large cockpits for fishing, sizable and comfortable [express type] cabins. I had an 11 m with 454 gas that cruised at 16 kts (downhill), but some also had diesels. I'd think about getting comfortable coastal-wise well before thinking about taking the family 40-60 m offshore.
  2. lots2learn

    lots2learn New Member

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    Glad to hear those rumors wrong I figured this much but wanted to clarify.

    I have been looking at the boat models metioned still several months away just getting basic research done. As for taking the family out I would limit this to our bay system and nearshore maybe 10-12 mile trips at the most and that would be after I was very comfortable with her. In all honesty it would probably be several months before I would even take her 50-60 miles offshore until I got all the bugs worked out. The price of boat I'm looking into will need to be gone thru top to bottom before I would venture into our deep gulf with her.

    Thanks for all the info everyone.
  3. NYCAP123

    NYCAP123 Senior Member

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    50-60 miles is a LONG way offshore. We have the canyon up here. DK if you have any reason to go that far. Get plenty of experience before trying. Keep in mind those 4 football players last year, 3 of whom died, in the gulf off Florida. Good luck.
  4. bglz42

    bglz42 New Member

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    NYCAP, the gulf is a little different. If you plan to do any fishing at all, you do have to venture offshore a ways. We're on a coastal plain here that extends out quite almost 60 miles. I do agree about running her in Galveston Bay/Clear Lake for a while before any longer trips. Besides, there's LOTS to see in our humble bay!


    Lots2learn, South Shore Harbour is hosting a big in water boat show in Sept. Lot's of different styles of boats to crawl around on. Don't miss it.
  5. lots2learn

    lots2learn New Member

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    Perfect I 'll see what I can find on it and plan on attending.
  6. lots2learn

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    Yes it is a long way. We did 80 NM on Saturday on the Grady White and only got to 300' water after 65 NM

    As a side not we currently have a 24' boat missing with 3 passengers been missing since Saturday in some of the same area I was at. CG has been searching with no luck yet. So I am being introduced to just how dangerous it can be during this research.
  7. NYCAP123

    NYCAP123 Senior Member

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    Unless they were carrying spare tanks, most 24' boats have a cruise speed range of about 7 hours. That's about 140 nm. Subtract the emergency 1/3 (rule of 1/3's) leaves a range of 93nm. Divided by 2 (there and back) means that boat should be no further than 46.5 nm from their home dock (not just off shore) minus however long they intend to be fishing. That's a long way of saying that, unless they were carrying a good bit of extra fuel, they had no business being out that far. Some boats just don't belong in the deep water.
  8. lots2learn

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    Another fishing forum I visit has a 33 page 328 response thread on the topic. Very sad for us fisherman in Houston. The boat they were on apparently was a catarman hull may have had a larger fuel cell, not sure.

    http://coastguardnews.com/coast-guar...st/2009/08/24/
  9. NYCAP123

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    My neighbor and his buds went out to the canyon last week from Moriches, NY in his 23' Contender. They spent 3 days and 2 nights sloshing around in 6' nasty seas and got skunked. If the white's or the big tuna were there (and not laughing at them) they'd probably still be out there. Fishermen are crazy and lucky. We'll all keep a good thought for your neighbors. There's still time.
  10. Mike Hall

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    new to offshore

    Hi and welcome to offshore fishing. I fish out of Port Aransas in the Gulf, and have much the same conditions you do. I am a retired Airline Pilot and have spent my entire career considering risk factors and management thereof. My first offshore boat was a 25' Grady White Sailfish with outboards, which was capable of safely running 50 miles out ON A NICE DAY and returning home with adequate fuel reserves. Another consideration is that the offshore environment can be a hazardous one, you are a long way from home, there is very little help out there, and communication to rescue is hard. The concept is one of redundancy. Anything can and will break, so make sure you have at least 2 of the vital items to get you home..ie..engines, nav sets, etc. Carrry battery powered backups for comm and nav in case of loss of electrics..$30K for an offshore budget will buy a pretty old boat, and in the salt air, subsystems and electronics typically last about 10 years max and need replacement..fairly expensive..It can be done, but spend the time and effort to research this well before pulling the trigger..good luck and have fun.
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  12. lots2learn

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    Nice!! Apparently I've done something wrong in life because with 4 kids I'm lucky to be looking in the 30-40K range. Good luck to you and I hope you are able to achieve your desires.

    PS anyone want to fill me and Bert in on how to achieve our "wants" chime in!!
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    "Bertram 28" "(wife, 2 kids ... 3 dogs and a cat)"? :eek: What happens when the mother in law comes along?:eek: :eek: :eek: :( ;)
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    Told (post 29) there was still time.:D Those good thoughts must have helped. Good to hear one turned out well.:)
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    I know ... not sure if the 800's are big enough ... if she falls overboard, I don't want anybody to hear her scream:)

    No ... just kidding ... mother in law is great, it's her daughter that's the boat hater!

    Mike
  17. Manny

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    Bert 28,

    Well, if you want a 54' Bertram you can have mine! :)

    newer, faster, and cheaper than the one you linked, too.