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74' Roamer, Only one built still alive, barely, thoughts?

Discussion in 'Chris Craft Roamer Yacht' started by acbs38, Feb 7, 2013.

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  1. Ormond Bert54

    Ormond Bert54 Senior Member

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    Yes ... Mine are BK800 engines ... "Key Power" 800hp 12V71TI. It took a while to figure this out ... I was thinking mine were J&T or Covington versions of the 12V71TI ... finally figured it out. Stock 12V71TI power was 650hp.

    I believe that Florida Detroit Diesel Allison Jupiter FL now occupies that space of the old Key Power company. None of the old spec info on turbos, injectors is readily available and the original injectors aren't made anymore anyways.

    Mine has the 9215P injectors Part# R5229715P and the R5101513 Turbos ... I think the combination results in around 800hp. Heavy and slow compared to a pair of C18 CATS but of course much much less expensive.
  2. Capt Ralph

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    Pantropic worked for money and a name. Jumped on many projects.
    I forgot about Key power, Yep, they also pushed the envelope a little. There were a few other sites that supped up Detroit's.
    Y'all ever hear of a v24v71TA. I understood Penski pushed that out. Only read about one wagon but sure there were more out there. I'd love to hear more about that beast.

    The moral I would like to pursue here is, The old Detroit's are pretty darn old blocks. Cheap parts are still available. MTU has reinvested it the 2-stroke support. If they are in her, and run decent, there is no hurry to re-power.
    Yes, newer Cats would be the choice replacement but any re-power would be very expensive. We considered 3408s when we purchased our Bertram. After I rebuilt our Stb 12v71ti and fixing many other Detroit issues, We can proudly say keeping the originals worked very well for us.

    On this Roamer, Figuring ole 514 TD gears. Wondering on shaft, wheel size and clutch ratio?
  3. K1W1

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    Hi,

    These certainly exist, not mainstream though. Prolly a bit like CAT 3520 engines.
  4. RER

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    Starboard 12v71 (2010)... Port running gear (2008)...

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  5. Capt Ralph

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    That one is the TI. Can't make it out completely, but it looks like the TD514 gear (bombproof).
    2 piece (prop) shafts. Some advantages, some dis-advantages there.
    Stabilized. Cool. Seems to have a nice V hull. The Houseboat Roamers I worked on did not have much of a V toward aft.
    Small prop.
  6. Capt Ralph

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    There was grass growing on the deck. Brush growing from the cushions. Stb main's smoke blocked the sun. Layers of green and green/black goo on everything. JP exhaust from the Miami airport ate up the isinglass.

    We bought her anyway.

    Our interior was pretty trashed also. Amazing how that happens. We filled 4 Dumpsters full of trash.

    No regrets. Were broke. Waiting for that next handful of change (to spend on our Bert). Been living on her for near 8 years now.

    Another project like this one would be fun. Wish your Roamer was down here.
  7. doompatrol

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    acbs38, what's going on? Any status updates?
  8. alloyed2sea

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    Withdrawal Symptoms

    Yeah, wat he said. Don't make me bring back the junkies.:p
    Cheers!
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  9. Capt Ralph

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    Getting back to an earlier comment I made, 'It's a full time job bringing a girl like this back to life".
    When can we get her in Jacksonville FL so I can start my new job?
  10. doompatrol

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    rcrapps, I'm not following you.

    Do you mean that you bought the 74 footer that is the topic of this thread?
  11. Capt Ralph

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    No.
    I want the job to rebuild her. Spend someone else's money.
  12. acbs38

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    It would be great to get her to you, I feel where she currently sits, region wise she is pretty restricted. The marina is very willing to work with the right person, but is way too far away for me (hour and half away). I have not been very successfull with marinas here in CT that are accomidating to vessels this large except for transient stays. I hate to say it, but in order for her to get done, many factors have to be in place, and that just isn't the case here in CT. How low would the owner go is the other question? I think everyone on this thread agreed that $20k was a pipe dream. Would be a shame if she got cut up :(
  13. RT46

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    make an offer!

    you might be surprised
  14. alloyed2sea

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    The Axe

    Never a pretty sight - Riviera 35(ST) bites the dust. :(
    Sadly,
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    ouch, that hurts just looking at the picture.

    thats about 12 cents per pound?
  16. alloyed2sea

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    Out of the box

    Estimate marina's cost of disposing of this boat - and make an offer (in minus dollars - just under). Thatz right, they pay YOU, no?
    Times r tuff,
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  17. doompatrol

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    Hour and a half is nothing for a boat that's got staterooms. Head over Friday night and head back home Sunday night. You'd have her done in no time. lol

    Tell them you'll take it off their hands for one dollar. Call once every two weeks and repeat the offer. If the Detroits actually work, that'd be worth doing.
  18. Capt J

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    You're forgetting that recycled Aluminum is worth decent money these days, so the yard would probably make some money if they cut it up.
  19. doompatrol

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    True, data. $0.87/lbs for scrap 5052. But these hulls are a combination of 5086 and 6061 extrusions that are welded together, and they're coated with bitumastic on the inside and fairing compound on the outside. I suspect a retail scrap yard wouldn't pay top rate. Scrap Metal Prices, Recycling News, Scrap Buyers | Scrapmonster.com

    alloyed2sea, any idea what these hulls weigh bare nekkid?

    But if you're going with scrap value, assume the engines and genset are irony copper until somebody invests the $90/hr in a mechanic to fully check them out. I think that was about 8 cents/lbs last time I was at the scrapper.

    Copper plumbing and wiring has good value. But then back out from that for disposal costs for all of the FRP, wood etc, and then there's the back breaking labor of the guy who rips it apart.

    But if this is a marina that has any respect for a piece of American boating history, I'd expect they'd prefer to sell her cheap to somebody who'd bring her back to life rather than just scrapping her out. I can pretty much guarantee that even at a $1 purchase price, this isn't likely to be the steal of the century.
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  20. alloyed2sea

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    The Agonist

    All this talk of apocalypse and crucifixion of this one, true son of Roame is getting me down.
    As an exorcism, let us strategize the facts of the case:
    1. Both the principals – the marina (Pontius Pilate) and the owner (Judahian*) – are in deep doo-doo.
    2. Successfully approaching the marina should include the carrot - becoming a paying customer/slip holder.
    3. The owner, on the other hand, needs only the lash – legally and monetarily he is in an untenable position: Bleeding dock fees, etc., and facing considerable disposal costs and an unhappy wife. He may maintain a fantasy reincarnation, but apparently the rock aint moving.
    4. Of course, the marina needs to understand that “if you break it, you pay for it” – her presence is a huge, chest-sucking wound on the premises in terms of useable space and effort.​

    All of the incentives point towards a peaceable, cost-free (or much less) transfer: chopping her up will take time & money. No matter the value of scrap, it is unlikely to yield positive value.
    As an amicus curiae**, a successful buyer must convey these points to each principal, and offer a solution to everybody’s problem. The more convincing, the better: Even the IRS offers an “Earned Income Credit” for worthy citizens.
    In closing, I say, “I am Spartacus”.
    So sayeth we all,
    -E
    *Matthew 1:2 ** Friend of the court​

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