Discussion in 'Sea Ray Yacht' started by Joe Messina, Jan 12, 2019.
I am thinking of a sundancer 2012 13 or 14 410
any known quality issues
Yea, A big one;
It's a SeaRay.
That's a broad statement Ralph. I had a 480 Sedan Bridge. Great boat, no problems. My brother had a 540 Dancer. Had to rebuild one of the Detroits, but over 4 years of ownership, it was simple maintenance. I haven't been aboard any of the later model boats; the bows are too droopy for me. Do you know of any specific issues related to these years?
I should have put a pile of big smile thingies after my comment.
Sea Ray builds their boats like most other mfgs do. All molded liners dropped in after the equipment is glued and bolted down. Still a pain to reach some service points thru the years but a heck of a lot better than other brands we have mentioned before on other threads.
Sea Rays are mostly solid also similar to other mfgs.
Many here on Y F like them and brag that the can take rough water.
Well, most boats can take rough water, it's the people inside the boat and their comfort that would be important to me. This topic I feel is still a mixed bag on Y F.
I have seen nothing better or over what competition is left.
I just think they are boring. All look the same. Hard to do any customization any where because of the liners ie; midget showers.
My work on a couple of Sedan Bridges up here do not make me an expert but does re-enforce my personal beliefs.
Lots of stuff crammed into a box, some glitter, built for girls.
Our Bertram is 58 feet long from stem to transom. The 58SD is 58 feet from pulpit tip forward to the back edge of the factory swim platform. I remember the SD owner bragging how big his 58' boat was. I had to invite him onboard ours and some others here at Huckins to show how big a 58' boat really is.
Market value, Value in the future. Here I have not a clue.
I personally still don't think SeaRay excels in anything and it's cost should be similar to other mfgs.
No, it is not a bad boat, It's not a top notch real boat; It IS just another Sea Ray.
No big deal, IMHO.
Searays are pretty well built for their price point. A Hatteras or Viking they are not, but they are not priced that way. They're a good all around boat. and honestly if you start looking at 10 year old MY's in their class. Searay's generally tend to age a hell of a lot better than their competitors both inside and out. They're an above average quality boat, with above average seakeeping, for an average price. I've run LOTS of Searays over the years...…...somewhere between 300-500 of them. Some of them do tend to ride pretty well in a rough sea.
Pretty good boat but my beef with them is accessibility for service and maintenance. SR folks seems to think that as long as you can reach something with one hand... it’s fine. Well it’s not. Try screwing a water pump back up On a bulkhead or replacing a bilge pump with one hand...
Thank you gentlemen. I own two of the smaller sea rays And definitely had some quality issues. My neighbor owns a 390 Sundancer 2005 and it’s beautiful still runs well. I would love a Viking or Hatteras but I don’t have $700,000 for a used 10-year-old boat. So $1 million sea ray really can be had for 300 and some change. This a lot of these available with 150 to 250 hours on the diesels of course. Tiara is another boat
On my radar screen
So you have obviously not been to the Sykes Creek or Palm Coast Plant before they closed?
While they have molded stringers which are certainly an advancement for production boat building, including production boats like yours, there is a fair amount of “stick building” that goes on prior to any production interior modules that go into place. Not anything that much different from today’s big name production builders, just Some different materials and less vacuum bagging/infusing that the high end builders like Viking do, but they don’t charge a Viking price either.
A real boat ? Absolutely, no question, plenty of 40’ - 60’ product on the water getting it done.
I've been to more production plants than carter has pills.
I purchased a large inventory from the then closed (SeaRay) plant from Palm Coast mfg facility.
The larger purchasers were Huckins and SeaRay Parts (Flounder Pounder Marine).
Thru the years I have visited by invite the SR compound while they were building including the near by Boston Whaler plant (now closed), Hunter, Hunter/Alura, Lurhs (FL), Great harbor, Sport Craft and Baha of Perry/Mayo FL I have been also guest of thru the years.
A Customer of mine in a previous time was Bayliner mfg in Valdosta Georgia. Here I was a part of the equipment in building their models up to 28 feet while under a new Brunswick flag, and where S R learned to build line boats.
I have also been in working plants from Sea Ox, Parker and Grady White.
Yes, I have watched their builds come together.
You could not imagine the small craft mold and shoot companies in Douglas , Waycross GA and Fernandina Beach FL.
I have been around.
I know how boats are built.
Most the same....
You can find plenty of Hat's , Vikings, Posts, Oceans, Berts 1980s through 1990s for under $200k, just have to weed out the ''poor'' ones. got to buy one from a Neat' Nic'.
$300+ there's a boat load around....
For some strange reason, The ole Tiara (including the ole S2 Yachts) have proven well in our corner of the world.
Only one of our acquaintances , had a gripe that his Volvo ECMs kept failing and sold his used boat quickly.
I'm tight with the best Volvo shop in the area and they never heard of this boat. So, I see no Tiara gripes here.
I have had minimum services issues myself (not many calls). This line could be something to look at.
BTW, they don't look like the go-zillion floaters already out there.
Thanks again, I love unbiased forums with experienced boaters weighing in.
My dream boat is the Intrepid 410 evolution. Outboards, speed and quality sleeping quarters. Another 600K boat used. Any Intrepid owners out there?
This is certain to ruffle a few feathers with the number of owners & captains on YF that have Intrepids for tenders, but they don't top my list. Intrepid was the first CC builder to build fully cored boats. They quickly gained acceptance and a reputation; no more rotting stringers, bulkheads or decks. Intrepid enjoys a cult-like following with yachties, but for those who understand how to build boats, they aren't doing anything special (other than commanding outrageous prices). There are many good CC builders out there, all following the protocols of the resin manufactures to ensure consistency and strength. Unless you're buying a price-point, volume production brand, it really comes down to price, ergonomics, features, fit & finish.
In the size range you're referencing, the Pursuit 408 Sport center console would top my list, but there's a whole new flock of plus 40-foot CC's in the market now.
Flame suit on.
Again thank you all.
Last silly question from my on the voodoo science of picking up a used boat but could I go wrong if I just select a 2012 or newer Formula Yacht 45???
Depends... What kind of anchor will it have?
With Volvo ISP?
Ensure all service records are up and current.
We have not serviced to many later Formulas but what I have seen, I liked them.
We looked at the Formula 45 prior to purchasing our first Tiara. It was laid out fairly well and met a lot of our criteria at the time. However at only 13'11" wide, it seems they tried to fit a lot in which really narrowed the side walk ways of an already narrow boat. I didn't like the idea of my wife out there handling fenders etc when coming into or leaving port.
Well Max it’s an easy fix... you let Sam handle the helm and you hang the fenders !!
Ha! She should be able to by mid summer...
I did have a 20 yo dockhand (friend who owns the marina's daughter) sterning the boat into our slip after a little time on a zero turn mower and an hour of practice around a buoy last season... no gadgets or thrusters.