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2000 model Azimut 85 Ultimate stern door problem

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  1. Rockiemosley

    Rockiemosley New Member

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    I am helping a friend with a 2000 model Azimut 85 Ultimate, with a problem on the stern door. My friend just bought this boat, and we have no documentation on the operation of the door going from the Salon to the Stern deck. The door is pictured below... its is similar to a grocery store automated door in that it should have some safety devices to keep it from closing on people. The door on our boat has no safety devices and will close on you if your arent careful. There are sensors for some type of beam, like on an elevator, which do not work. We have tried to locate someone to work on this without success. So we are looking for wiring schematics on the door, or else a technician near St Petersburg Florida which might be able to sort this out. Any help appreciated.

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    Have you tried closing it on something like a rolled towel? It's supposed to be triggered by resistance not by something breaking a beam,
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    There are sensors middle top and bottom that have a black wire running out the backside that you can see in the track if you turn the door off and open manually. Threshold sensor you can see as pictured from the exterior below. It has closed on people, when there should be some sort of auto reverse. It maybe should be triggered by resistance as well, but that is not happening in this case. Ive attached photos of the circuit board controller. I have a technical background and if I had any documentation on this circuit board at all, I could probably figure it out. My guess is that previous owners had things bypassed because of some malfunction of the manual cable lock catch, which is solenoid operated. If I could locate a wiring schematic, that would be great.

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  4. Capt Ralph

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    Don't care where 27612 is.
    You can search all these previous YF threads. I wish your friend did before he bought the boat.
    The fatal answer is; It a Mutt.
    Now, find somebody that actually works on Self opening / closing doors and make it work like that.
    Grocery or drug store electrician may be a start..
    There are not many fixes for US sold Mutts.

    It's a Mutt, Run for the nearest exit. Give grace it's not yours (or is it?).

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  5. Rockiemosley

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    Thanks...luckily ive got no financial interest in the boat. Just trying to help my friend. He will throw money at it until its fixed! There are people who work on automated doors in commercial buildings, that might be a start. Even then a wiring schematic on the Cantalupi ESC100 circuit board would help.o_O
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    Schematic on anything from Azimut? Your trying as a new comic, rite?

    O K, I'll stop and let others enjoy the humor and opportunitys to inject their luv for Mutts in here.

    Don't yawn or snore out loud waiting..
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    What about all of the little lever switches labelled 1-6 in the picture that are in the off position. It's a canteluppi circuit board, so try them.
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    I did wonder about those dip switches... I could do trial and error and click them on one at a time and see what happens.
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    I did send an email to Cantalupi of Italy this morning. It looks like most of their product line is now lighting fixtures. Maybe they will be of help on this. I suspect those 6 micro switches might be the solution, but maybe they will help. Its probably already the weekend in Italy.
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    One other thought; Marine Max used to sell Mutts. Maybe they still have some support left that can help you.
    It's a long shot.
    MM does not have a positive following here also.
    Still, I'm just trying to help.
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    Our Captain called Marine Max and didnt get very far with them. I emailed Cantalupi in Italy for some documentation on the circuit board, so maybe will hear something. Ive got a guy from Azimut USA supposedly trying to get some info from Azimut Italy. We do have a commercial door guy coming to look at it next week. Im not sure if the dip switches turn on and off the safety features. There is a solenoid operated lock, top center, that appears to not operate and is jammed in the open position with a chunck of paper towel. Probably why safety features are turned off to start with. Geez this reminds me of my old Alfa Romeo.
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    Any update?
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    We talked with the previous captain of the boat, he said the door would open and close unprompted in rolling seas...not very safe. We had some folks look at it from a company called Marine Power Door. They want to remove the existing electronics and motors and put their own equipment in. Sort of the nuclear option. We are trying to get a commercial door technician in to see if we can get our existing equipment to work properly. If that doesn’t work we might be going with a $12,000 upgrade from Marine Power Door.
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    Ever hear back from Mut or Cantalupi?
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    Nope, nothing!
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    Why was the door closing or opening in rough seas? Was it because the electronics ordered it to move or was it because it lost pneumatic pressure.
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    This door is operated with electric motors. The control circuitry has gone wonky and none of the safety features are functional, as well as the locking system solenoid is either not getting the signal, or the solenoid is dead. We are able to push a button to open the door, after which it closes about 45 seconds later, giving just enough time for a person to jump in or out before the door closes again. So don't hesitate in the doorway, or else the door will close on you. We are working on getting a commercial door technician to look at it. Not really sure why the doors are opening and closing in rough seas, but I suspect an mechanical locking mechanism is not functional, which is related to the solenoid mentioned above.
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    I recall a worm drive gizmo on a rig many years ago. I think an over current causes the doors to stop and reopen if it hits anything. The closed latch catches the door and disables the over current error. When the (motion detector option) or manual "open" command is issued, the door opens again. Those dip switches may be the set up for the switches and motion detector (another switch). 45 seconds should be enough time for my ex mother-in-law to pass (SAB).
    If there is a motion detector(s), it should wait till it goes null then close the door.
    Think of an old Stanly garage door opener.
    Oh, think close to an auto door at the drug store.

    Sadly, I'm just spitting in the wind (still have my mask, que Jim Croce). This may offer an insight of a proper auto door.
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    Well I know there is some logic in the operation that doesn’t seem to be there. The boat is 20 years old and we don’t know what has been done previously, but there is a linkage piece missing in the cable release mechanism involved with the solenoid locking device. We suspect that the door malfunctioned and locked people in the cabin and the work around was to disable the locking mechanism by removing part of the linkage in the emergency cable release device. Who knows what else has been done to the system. Hopefully we can find a commercial door technician to figure it out.