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Good Ole Dry Gas Cures My ill

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  1. cleanslate

    cleanslate Senior Member

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    I know many of us on here have gas runabouts other than our big boat, or boats. I have a 22' Chris - Craft 1974 Dory which some of you know. She has been gradually running with a rough idle, and poor cold starts.
    I've been using that Valve-Tec gas and at times adding Star-Tron fuel additive. None of which seemed to help or really matter at all.
    Was at the auto parts store the other day and saw some ''HEET'' dry gas on the shelf and I remembered my old Porsche, in the winter, always needed a bottle of this to run smooth. So I got two bottles for $2.50 each for my Carbureted Crusader motor in the Chris.
    Well she's running super great after this . No more hard start, no rough idle etc., etc. Guess I had some water in the tank.o_O

    So if your gas boat is running poorly, save your money on that ''Tron'' stuff ,get back to the basics and try some good old dry gas in the tank. I bet that will cure your problems too. I assume you can run it through the new outboards also, but I'm not sure.
    But if you have a gas inboard or I/O it should be fine.
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    Might have been water from old gas or gummed up carbs from the same source. Dry gas helps dry one and clean the other. If you don't run that boat regularly I recommend Sta-bil in your tank.
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    cleanslate Senior Member

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    I run it every weekend and then some .
    New tank installed by me three years ago.
    Condensation water perhaps time for new deck fill o ring .
    NYCAP123 you would like this boat.
    Good boat for racing around Great Bay and fire island etc. good old flounder fishing boat to.
  4. Capt Ralph

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    Run as much of that old fuel out before re-fueling. What you have done is forced the water to be adsorbed into the gas. The engine runs mostly well.
    With droplets of water coming up the line, engines don't run well. Keep running the tank as low as possible for a while to get rid of all suspended water.
    Fuel treatments do not suspend water, just keep the fuel from separating, another no no.
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    Flounder, Flounder, Oh, I remember, You were going to ship me some fresh Flounder...

    Yea,, Yea,, I remember well now.

    Send pictures of happy people with the shipment.
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    Definitely a class ride.
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    It just has the regular crusader spin on filter will that capture water or just dirt and contaminants only?
    I haven’t changed that since last summer.
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    I’m still honing my skills I’m just happy to come in with enough to feed the family! 18” min to keep in NJ.
    Lots of through backs ....at least with me . Lol
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    Nice.
    That filter won't stop water.
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    Could you explain. My understanding is that today's gas lasts about 3 months before separating. Any gas I have that won't be consumed in that time gets Sta-bil. My motors being laid up for extended periods get Sta-bil in the last tank, the tank is drained and any fuel left in the system burned off. Are you recommending something different?
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    Just what I said. Fuel stabilizers keep the ethanol and treated fuel from separating a lil longer. Eventually, it will. Chemistry says so. As you said, consume / burn it off. My outboard 20 does a lot of sitting. That fuel gets pumped into my van when it sits on the trailer within a month.
    Think of oil and vinegar dressings; they will separate.
    The dry gas CleanSlate makes reference to is is another old school de-natured alcohol.
    It will absorb water and stay suspended in the gas a good bit longer. Still, it has to either get burned or poured out. Any alcohol or treatment will only hold so much water before it too, separates from the gas and sinks to the bottom with the already pre-separated junk, it's junk and a lot of water.

    Ruel 1; Don't let any gas sit.
    2; Only the best non-ethonol fuel.
    3; Change filters often. LAST SUMMER??? Bad joke rite? Gonna have to take you out back with a switch...
    4; Don't count on any filter or snake oil to substitute for the above rules.
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    OK. Sounded like you were saying something different. Sure, nothing last forever, especially gas and even treated gas.Old school was always to fill the tank to create less space for condensation. New fuel brought a lot of confusion among boat owners who lay their boats up for winter. Some stayed old school. I'm with you on this. Get rid of the old gas.
    Cleanslate, you might want to think about adding something like this so you can see when there's water in the fuel and drain it off.
    https://www.racorstore.com/index.ph...cMx2bOHu84PKX241dEYooCji7QPYoY5xoC6KEQAvD_BwE
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    If the water is absorbed in the alcohol, then that is suspended in the gas, I am not sure you would see the water in a bowl until it re-separated.

    The bowl idea is great. Have the older style Racor gas filter with bowl on our outboard 20. Never found a drop.
    But then, we do not store fuel and follow the above rules.

    CleanSlate may have room under his OEM spin on filter to update it with a Racor spin on with a metal bowl.
    Something in the back of my mind reminds me; inboard mounted filters for gas must be metal & not plastic.
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    I hold 75 gallons . I really never run it much below 1/2 a tank . Transom tank and she gets to light aft when empty and doesn’t perform to my liking . So I always refuel around just less than 1/2.
    So 30 gallons always remains in the tank un used . Diluted with a new load of fuel.
    So from now on I will try to burn more fuel before I fill up.

    I like the idea of the Racor filter.
    Wouldn’t I just add the Racor in line as a secondary filter and leave the original spin on filter on as a primary?
    Or should I just put a record in and remove the original spin on filter?

    The boat has three bilge compartments I could put the Racor in line in the aft bilge compartment so I think the plastic one would be fine for this because it wouldn’t be in the engine bilge compartment.

    What microns would I use for a filter?
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    Anyway to pump out remaining gas into your and girlfriends truck at the end of the season or before any long (4weeks) storage?
    Run real low, carry more girlfriends in the back.
    Here is where big fuel tanks come back and bite ya.
    Does your gas station or marina sell ethanol free fuels?

    I think you already have a spin on filter on the engine.
    Find the correct Racor replacement with a metal bowl. **
    Sadly, it is below deck and you can do a quick drain (not running) into a metal cup to check for water.

    Your idea about a separate bilge space is a rule bender. I remember studying new builds vs CFRs. Usually below deck spaces share the same ventilation and drainage. Therefor, per the CFRs, mounting a plastic gas filter in the next compartment would not work. A good surveyor or forbid, an insurance investigator will look for these things.

    On your ship, single SBC, one filter is all you need. There is a fine filter already in the Carb fuel inlet also.

    Filter mic?
    Oh heck, another headache.
    Lets stay with what ever the factory rating is on the original OEM filter.
    Efficiencies of the filter media is not going to stop water from passing thru.
    NY123 I think mentioned this above and I have proven it my self. The best oiled filter media will still pass water.


    Now, probably the easiest way to check your water and not mess with all of this;
    Cycle thru your fuel. 100% fresh non ethanol fuel with no over the counter snake oils.
    Spin off your filter and pour into bowl away from the boat.
    Lots and lots of "open bonnet" ventilation before you try to start the engine after filter service.
    Spin on a new filter.

    The idea of spin off / on the same filter sux.
    The O ring swells when it comes in contact with fuel. Putting a used O ring filter may never seal correctly.
    Spin a new filter one on always.



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    Like these; https://www.westmarine.com/search?Ntt=Spin-On+Fuel+Filter/Water+Separator
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    Capt Ralph and NYC123 Captains at large!
    Well thanks for your input. All I know is the dry gas sure helped , but it is not the answer.
    I'm finding out Crusader now recommends a Racor type filter in the fuel line before the motor filter.
    Looks like I need the 660R-RAC-02 unit. I will get one asap and put it in the aft bilge.
    Thank You! Check is in the mail...lol.:rolleyes:
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    That should be Flounder is in the mail,,,:):):)

    Just remember to keep a check on your filters. Keep sets of spares in a dry place.
    I and a friend keep our spare filters in the truck when we purchase in bulk, one spare on the boat.
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    Could you give the citation for this? I found nothing about mounting outside the engine compartment. What I found regarding fuel/water separators was that they must pass a 2.5 minute "heat test" and from ABYC:
    24.9 FUEL FILTERS, STRAINERS AND WATER SEPARATORS
    24.9.1 The unit shall incorporate means for independent mounting, designed to relieve strain from connected fuel lines.
    24.9.2 The unit shall be designed so that routine servicing and removal for cleaning purposes will minimize, as much as practicable, any spillage of fuel into the bilge.
    24.9.3 Drain openings shall be equipped with tapered pipe plugs.
    24.9.4 Gaskets and seals, if used, shall form a complete ring and shall not be split.