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  1. Pascal

    Pascal Senior Member

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    Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different result. Massive shutdowns and quarantine didn’t work earlier this year, if they did they wouldn’t have to do it all over again. Why will it work this time?

    anyway, as to Hatteras I don’t think anybody has seen any evidence that they are about to shut down. There has been no layoff warnings, has there been?
  2. Oscarvan

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    They didn't? They didn't slow the exponential track the spread was on? It's hard to prove a negative, but your 100% certainty that the results would have been the same without those measures has zero basis in science.

    Where we COULD have agreed is that if EVERYONE had worn a mask and maintained some level of social distancing we probably could have done BETTER than we did while keeping the economy at a much higher percentage of normal activity.

    But of course the people that refused to wear a mask (I know you are very familiar with them) for a variety of non scientific reasons, egged on by the Super spreader in chief, torpedoed the effort.

    (Sorry mods.....)
  3. Pascal

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    Anger management issues?

    you missed the fact that ole Europe religiously followed the mask rules.... and it didn’t help them.
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    And here you all go taking another thread down.
  5. Oscarvan

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    Well, the original subject turned out to be a non issue anyways.....
  6. NYCAP123

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    Try checking the numbers. The lockdowns, masks and distancing helped greatly everywhere it was done (NY being a prime example), but it's no cure. Until proven vaccines are distributed world wide this will surge every time we let our guard down. Only fools don't wear masks and distance.
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    Yep... NY has 10% less population but 20% more deaths than florida...
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    Florida spiked later and a lot was learned about how to treat the disease.
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    Now deduct the deaths from NY's initial surge when we didn't know what was hitting us and run the numbers again. What's Florida's excuse other than a governor who's trying to kill its residents.
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    By Dan Gelber

    Special to the Sun Sentinel|

    Nov 18, 2020 at4:58 PM

    Dear Governor DeSantis:

    This isn’t working. It is unmistakably clear that Florida’s approach to managing this pandemic is failing horribly. Since you reopened all elements of commerce in late September and, simultaneously, prevented local government from enforcing individual mask mandates, positive cases have risen steeply, as have resulting hospitalizations. Unfortunately, increased deaths are expected to follow as well.


    The herd immunity theory advanced by your advisors, namely that we can allow this virus to spread in a controlled way while protecting the vulnerable, was wrong in theory and is being proven a disaster in practice. If we fail to change direction, there is no reason to believe these devastating trendlines will recede.

    Today, a number of mayors across Florida pled with you to change course. We asked that you:


    Implement a statewide mask mandate;


    Allow local government to enact remedial measures addressing local conditions including enhanced mask enforcement, capacity limits, and social distancing requirements;


    Restore state testing facilities and operations to fullest capacity;


    Implement best practices for contact tracing including authorizing DOH to allow use of the Google-Apple enterprise (GAEN) app for contact tracing on the local level.


    We won’t need to return to lock-downs if we are allowed to manage the virus through implementation of these best practices.

    Mask usage is obviously essential. The data proves that after we implemented it, our community saw a substantial reduction in virus spread. I believe if you were to implement a statewide mask mandate it would save thousands of lives. It is also vital that local governments be given freedom to fashion remedies that respond to local challenges. For instance, my community which receives millions of visitors every year might have different challenges than places that only have a local resident population to worry about.


    We also need to have more available testing. The State’s decision to roll back availability of testing centers has not simply inconvenienced many Floridians but, more importantly, made it difficult for many to get tested when they most need to. In many communities the waits are increasing every day as more people are concerned that they may be infected.

    Finally, the State’s contact tracing program is still failing to do its job of curbing spread of the virus. In my own County, for instance, during the two-week period ending November 13, your contact tracers only interviewed 45% of newly infected residents to discover who else might be infected and to assure they quarantine. Additionally, our State, unlike many other states, declined to develop an app to assist contact tracing and has not authorized use of the Google-Apple Enterprise (GAEN) app that may prove effective in curbing the spread of the disease. Without state approval, it cannot be used statewide or on the local level. Please consider directing your Department of Health to allow local governments the option to utilize the app as it may prove effective in some circumstances, but without your approval we will never know.


    A vaccine is on the horizon, but the pandemic will not be in our rear-view mirror for likely six more months. I fully share your goal of reopening the economy and avoiding debilitating lockdowns. And I know you are similarly concerned about the health of our residents. But I believe your approach is neither saving lives or livelihoods. Our State’s primary economic engine is hospitality and people will not travel here if they believe it is unsafe. In fact, I’m convinced that projecting our State as a place where people are not wearing masks and where the virus is allowed to spread unconstrained will only serve to discourage visitors. In my community I have seen responsible hoteliers, restaurateurs and businesspeople adopt health and safety standards that foster customer confidence that translates into more patrons. This has to be the model for our State’s way out.

    Please consider these recommendations.

    Thanks for your service,

    Dan Gelber

    There has been no reply from the Governor
  11. Pascal

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    let me repeat this again: according to the CDC, Florida has 20% fewer deaths despite having 10% more population to date.

    And that doesn’t include the infections brought down by all the New Yorkers that have been coming down here vacationing while collecting welfare...
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    Right. It's all a big hoax.
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    Too bad there's no cure for stupidity.
  14. Pascal

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    One could argue that not being able to understand numbers is a form of stupidity...
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    Boyz. I come to this forum to get away from this nonsense. Please go somewhere else to have this out
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    Listen, I really don't give a dаmn about your views and your political obsessions.
    If you are thinking to go on with this fanfare for the next four years, that's your problem, not mine.

    BUT, we had people dieing in the hospital corridors with doctors unable to assist them because all ICU beds were already taken.
    The first lockdown improved that situation massively, and relatively fast.
    Now, the somewhat less strict lockdown rules that are in place were implemented to avoid collapsing hospitals again, as some of them did in the first wave, and it's working.
    So, yes, we are doing the same thing again, but we do NOT expect any different result - just the same old, same old.
    Awaiting for a better and more radical solution (vaccine) which might be round the corner, but isn't available yet.

    Now, if you feel like defining insanity the efforts of those in charge of doing what it takes for limiting the consequences of this sh!t, and be able to grant those affected a decent sanitary assistance (protecting also the medical personnel involved), well, my skin is thick enough to not be bothered by any silly comments the internet is flooded with.
    But frankly, you should be ashamed of yourself.
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    From a scientific perspective, we have a “easy” epidemiological opportunity.

    Florida has dropped many barriers and “opened” with respect to COVID.
    California is going all-in with respect to COVID restrictions.

    Isn’t it relatively easy to track new COVID deaths in each state? Florida has been “open” long enough for the deaths to start appearing in the data.

    I’ll provide the data link, feel free to choose other locked down states for comparison to Fl. and draw your own conclusions.

    http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
  18. Beau

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    This is a Hatteras thread??
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    I thought it was. I was actually going to post something since it seems there have been issues coming from the Hatteras camp as of late. Not sure what the issue is specifically mentioned here but seems like a lot of issues with Fishtank (hull #1 of the GT65). Looks like they just took delivery of it now despite premiering at the beginning of the year and somehow managed to loose previously installed counter tops and other items. They were proudly Hatteras customers and now they seem to be very against them.
  20. olderboater

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    There are issues but as usual there are three sides to that story.
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