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Should You Exercise The Kids

Discussion in 'Engines' started by Boston whaler, Sep 29, 2020.

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  1. Boston whaler

    Boston whaler New Member

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    I am going to be dock bound for a few months and debating whether to have someone exercise my diesels periodically at the dock by running them up to temp every few weeks. Gensets can be put under a load when run, but can’t do that with the two DD 8-71 VTI mains. Berthed in Charleston so freezing not a major concern.
    Am I creating more problems than not by running the mains at idle as contmplated?
  2. BRyachts

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    If / when I'm dock bound I like to give them a quick run every few weeks or at least once a month. As much to circulate some oil on the bearings and flex the raw water impellers so they don't take a set.
  3. NYCAP123

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    That's a good start, but I'd get the boat off the dock and put through its paces for a half hour or so at least once a month.
  4. Ken Bracewell

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    People in the north leave Diesel engines sitting all winter on a regular basis. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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    I agree. Put a load on them for a brief run if possible. Just running them without a load could create wet stacking. On the other side, run the block heaters all the time and let them sit. This is done in many place without issues for a few months.
  6. NYCAP123

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    I semi-agree about the diesels, except that the boat isn't up north where winters are dry and not much grows in the winter water. When damp air is introduced to a motor I like metal kept lubricated. I'm also concerned with other systems from growth on the bottom and running gear to shaft logs and a/c's and plumbing. An alternative would be to winterize the boat.
  7. Ken Bracewell

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    Let me say this... when I pull into Ft. Lauderdale for our annual yard period, I never do anything other than shut down the engines and leave them until we are ready to use them again. I've never once had a problem.
    To the OP- I wouldn't overthink it.
  8. NYCAP123

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    Whatever works for you is great, but I've run into all sorts of gremlins on boats that sit for long periods from farms growing on the bottoms and intakes to dried seals and gaskets to damage from electrolysis to varmints setting up homes and eating their ways to them. How not running the diesels will affect their longevity I DK. That's why I say I semi-agree with you on that, but I just don't feel it's healthy to leave any motor for long periods with all the lubrication sitting in the pan and the cams not moving.
  9. d_meister

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    A lot depends on what kind of exhaust the engines have and the potential for condensation in the exhaust system. The most compelling issue is that there are always open or partially open exhaust valves when the engines are stopped. The concern is that cylinder walls can corrode over time if the engines aren't run. Although the engines won't come up to thermostat temperature, running one engine in reverse gear and the other in forward brings the temp up a little higher. Doing that for 15 minutes or so every two weeks has worked for me on a pair of Cat 3406's over 5 years. A run up in RPM in neutral to finish has been my practice. It may be arguable whether or not there's potential for damage if it's not done, but I've experienced no ill effects. A friend that manages a number of dock queens has been doing it for years as a regular practice on his fleet.
    Another possibility is rubber vanes in a raw water pump taking a set in the area of the cam plate and causing a "flat spot" on the impeller, reducing the effective output of the pump.
  10. Ken Bracewell

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    I don't disagree that this is a good practice for dock queens. Perhaps I misunderstood, but it seems like the OP is going to be away for a couple of months and is wondering if someone should be running the engines while he is. If the boat is regularly exercised (other than this couple of months) I don't see an issue. If the extended absences are regular, then I would concur that hiring someone to start the engines (and perform other duties, for that matter) would be worthwhile.
  11. Prospective

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    No expert but mine sit winterized (antifreeze in place of saltwater) and idle on the hard for 6mos as most do here in winter. Can't image it's much of an issue. And if you think winter in RI is dry, you haven't been. It's a wet, mostly rainy, cold mess.
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    What kind of use the boat normally gets, what kind of boat it is and what exactly the OP means by "a few months" would be very relevant questions.
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    Run them every 2 weeks. I normally run them until they get to 140F, then run them up for 3 minutes or so at 1800 rpms to spin the turbo's and get them a little warm, then idle them back down and bump them in gear a few times to keep the plates wet in the gears......It keeps oil on the valvetrain of the engines, then injectors get worked and fuel moved through them, everything gets exercised. Not exactly ideal, but much better than letting them sit with some open valves and salt air from the water moving in and out of the exhaust. I once dealt with a 5 year old yacht that sat on the new river. Boat had 300 hours and both 8v92 DDECs had a dead hole......from sitting and not being run for very long periods of time.

    Out of the water is a different story and diesels seem to do much better than ones sitting in a boat in the water..........
  14. Boston whaler

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    Thank you all for the input. Everything has been out of sorts this past year due to Covid, etc. and some medical fixes this late fall- winter is only adding to the mix.
    She is an older aluminum semi-displacement trawler so religious about zincs and stray moisture. As to hull and running gear- diver cleans it regularly; plan on putting small oil filled heaters in the engine and pump rooms; and run dehumidifiers in forward and aft bilges and main salon.
    Based on input, will likely hire someone to come in and run both gen sets and mains at least once or twice a month, but not in a position to get her off the dock to run her up to full temp under load. I like the idea of putting her in opposing gear at the dock - help bring up temp a tad and adds a bit of load as well as giving the transmissions a chance to take a little oil bath. Scheduled to change out all impellers in the spring in any event - so that will hopefully get me through to late winter/early spring with a happy boat.
    Thanks again for all the good advice and suggestions. I am always impressed by the collective knowledge of this site’s members and their willingness to share it.
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    +1 on what Capt. J wrote. When I looked for boats for clients I always cautioned that too few hours are as bad as too many. I like to see 100 to 200 hours per year.
    If you can't get it off the dock you can't. We all do what we can do. What you propose sounds fine. J takes care of a bunch of boats. Doing what he advises in your slip is good. One thing I will add though is to put on some extra lines. Good in case a storm comes up and good for safely exercising your motors.
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    Capt J, what's a dead hole?
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    Bad cylinder / piston, etc.
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    I do not mean to hijack this thread, but, I keeping reading about not getting up to temp. I must be an anomaly (no comments, please) Man 820's freshwater cooled. I store in the water on Long Island. This year going to Beaufort NC. I start the engines. Fast idle at 750 rpm until the temp gauges move. Slowly raise to 12oo rpm as it reaches 170-80. Takes a while, but isn't that "coming up to temp." Also, with my kind of HP I am not putting them in gear for any length of time while tied to the dock, but I do give them a bump in and out of forward and reverse to exercise everything. I do not follow this procedure once I'm winterized in late December. I just let every thing sit with plastic bags over my airseps, my air box stuffed, my engine heaters on, and every once in a while maybe half a revolution on the engines to changes the valves. The engine heaters keep that engine room and equipment above 45 (?) even on the coldest days. I can rummage down there with just a shirt on. I only winterize in case of a power failure.
  19. Capt J

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    No/very low compression.
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    Sure you can ignore them and get away with it but is that proper care? No.
    Block heaters should be on
    Start them every 3 weeks
    ideally get away from the dock and load them up.