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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by bradles1330, Feb 20, 2012.

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  1. bradles1330

    bradles1330 New Member

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    Hello all-
    Long time lurker, first time poster. Love the forums...never felt qualified to post anything but I am hoping to tap into the vast amounts of knowledge on the site.

    I'm in my early 20's and have my Masters License (50-ton), Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering, and am currently in law school (studying maritime/admiralty law + environmental). In a perfect world, I could combine all three of these things into a career...but I'm still searching for how to do that. (ideas!?)

    My dilemma is this: Getting legal experience in the summer is strongly encouraged. I have an offer in hand working as an engineer on a jet boat up in Alaska for the summer for a whale watch company. Obviously, this isn't legal experience, but would be a pretty amazing experience (and I could go up to a 100-ton by the end of the summer). The practical side of me says that I should not go to Alaska but instead focus on obtaining a legal internship at a law firm.

    My question to the YF community is this:
    Can you think of a way that I could spin this summer job opportunity to benefit me down the road, aside from simply upgrading my ticket or gaining captain experience?

    I know that I want to work in some sort of supporting role in the maritime industry (safety consulting? permitting? logistics? admiralty law?). I know that I don't want to be a full time captain.

    I realize this is a bit confusing, which probably reflects my mental state, but any sort of career experience or advice would be greatly appreciated!
  2. Norseman

    Norseman Senior Member

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    You probably should get the Sea Time in now as you would be too busy and too tied down once you are established in a Law Office.

    And/or get your own boat for pleasure use so you can log Sea Time on days off. (And enjoy your time on the water) :cool:
  3. NYCAP123

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    You're in law school and have time to take the summer off?:confused: I think you'd be best served to seek an internship at a law firm, preferably one practicing Admiralty law if that's your passion. If you do that you can probably forget about getting your ticket and hire a Cap for your yacht in a few of years. Rather than hopping a plane to Alaska I'd be hopping a train to Boston.
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    Hi,

    I am a little curious.

    How does someone a few years out of high school with a Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering, and currently being in law school give you the required qualifications and more importantly experience to be the Engineer on a Jet Boat in Alaska doing Whale Watching?
  5. NYCAP123

    NYCAP123 Senior Member

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    I believe I might be familiar with the job offer he's referring to. If so it's not a licensed position, more mechanic/deckhand/jack of all. He may have used the term engineer too losely for this forum.
  6. bradles1330

    bradles1330 New Member

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    I definitely used it too loosely, my apologies! It's just the title they give the position...just doing engine room checks and stuff. I do have quite a bit of mechanical experience but no certificates to show for it.

    Thank you for all the comments...much appreciated.
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    It's a great adventure for a college kid on summer break, but not for someone on the track it sounds like you're on. You could be shooting your future/career in the foot. Seriously consider an internship with a law firm down in Boston if you can. Good luck.
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    Yeah that s what the world needs... Another lawyer!!!

    :)
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    I was thinking about his future, not the world's.:D Totally agree with you though.:)
  10. surveyor

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    My suggestion is to go for the Alaska job and if you can get the 100 ton ticket that is all the better. But, if you don't get the upgrade, don't worry about it. You probably won't get another chance to do this and just seeing Alaska and working the boat is an experience that most admiralty attorneys haven't had.

    After obtaining a business degree and then paying back the 4 yr scholarship with 4 yrs of navy service in Vietnam, I spent the next 40 years as a marine surveyor for a major insurance company (it didn't start out as a career, just ended up that way) and it was interesting and fun. But, I met a whole lot of maritime attorneys that didn't know the pointy end from the blunt end. Get all the marine experience you can before settleing into that attorney desk.
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    The experience you will gain from working in Alaska may be of more value to you or future employers compared to spending the summer making copies and other legwork for a random lawfirm. This especially if you're certain you want to practice in maritime law.

    Moe
    Just another lawyer
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    Bradles1330

    Unless you have a gem of an internship offer, go whale watching and add to your life's experiences!

    Now to demonstrate Mysue's point about volatility: Laywers are hated til you need one! A Shakespearean verse that is often misinterpreted, "First, kill all the lawyers", is not derogatory toward lwayers at all. It is a statement made by the plotters to overthrow the British throne in recognition that the lawyers are the only ones with the wit and abilty to foil their plot and must, therefore, be dispensed with first.

    I now will put my "hardhat" on to protect against the incoming salvos :D (BTW, NYCAP taught me how to use smileys)
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    And you learned well.:D If this were 10 or 20 years ago I'd agree to go for the adventure. In fact I would definitely do it in his circumstance (and did), but that's me. In this day though, especially when considering the student loans he's probably carrying, I wouldn't indulge myself and would be looking to make connections that could help me be employrd after school. There are a lot of lawyers doing everything but practicing law these days. There will be a lot of young lawyers pounding the pavement on graduation day. It'd be good to have a leg up. Also,life on the water can be addictive. That could put his last few years of school to waste, and could lead to regret 10 or 20 years from now.
    So welcome to the adult world. Lots of questions and no easy answers.
  14. Beau

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    Agree, It is a difficult choice. Actually no choice if you've got a great intern opportunity. But most aren't. I do the interviews for our firm, and like any other employer hiring people right out of school, I find that these, young, bright attorneys. more often than not, have no life experience. They can answer questions about a very complex legal case, but if I ask them about its appilcation to a real life experience, they go blank. I actually am an advocate of 2 years work/life experience before applying, like many of the MBA programs. In the "old days" that actually is how most attorneys got licensed. They worked in the trenches in a law firm for 3-5 years, and then, if their mentor thought they had the right stuff, they got recommended to the bar. Just my thoughts.
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    Your confusion in no small part comes from the fact that you are comparing real offer (Alaska deckhand) with imaginary ones ("some legal internship").
    Comparisons like this almost always end up in no better shape then they start.

    Do see what kind of REAL "legal internship" you can possibly get. That way you'll be comparing one real opportunity with another real opportunity, not some imaginary material, and the choice gonna get much easier.
    E.g. i suppose it gonna make quite a difference if you can get a meaningful internship at the firm of your dreams, or if it's some paper-moving in "grade C" bureau.

    (I'd go for adventure, but that's just me. Heck, about half of my clients I met on some random ventures from ski slope to airsoft team, but then again, not everyone's got that kind of wild luck).