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Rolls Royce/Mercedes to buy MTU?

Discussion in 'Engines' started by Fishtigua, Mar 9, 2011.

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  1. Fishtigua

    Fishtigua Senior Member

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    ... so now MTU's will be more expensive and less reliable?
  3. Fishtigua

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    What? You mean compared to those 'wonderful' motors made in conjunction with Detroit Diesel?
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    You relate to recent MAN engines? For me the finest mid-range MAN was the 2866 which was designed befor the MAN guys even cared bout where Detroit is.
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    Loren Schweizer YF Associate Writer

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    Last I heard, the boogeyman's out of a job since the Trent-engined AirBus 340s showed up.
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    MTU was owned by MB/DB and sold to Tognum some years back.
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    The only MTU that was made in conjuction with Detroit Diesel was the Series 60's. All of the other engines were MTU engines and they then paired the Detroit Diesel electronic engine management system with them, that was the only reason MTU bought DD was for the electronics end of it.
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    Hi,

    No one disputes that and the article opens with.

    Rolls-Royce, the British aeroengine manufacturer, and Daimler, the German carmaker, have launched a €3.2bn (£2.7bn) takeover bid for Tognum, the diesel engine maker.
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    Hi,

    I'm sorry- where is it that says MB/DB used to own MTU?

    Did I also miss someone disputing what I said? Could you also point that out also?
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    Mtu

    I thought someone said MTU was owned by MB/DB "Bamboo ? then sold
  11. Loren Schweizer

    Loren Schweizer YF Associate Writer

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    In Germany, it's hard to know who owns who. With their corporate system of Interlocking Directorates--I'm not making this up, an MTU engine rep once explained this to me--MAN, Daimler Benz, MTU (Friedrichshafen) and more, either own or owned outright (or just pieces of) each other over the past 25 years.
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    Hi,

    Loren is right that ownership things can be complicated in Germany to put it mildly.

    Wikipedia has some info on ownership history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTU_Friedrichshafen

    It is my understanding from speaking to more than one MTU person that the big stumbling block to moving it on en masse previously rested with the descendants of Herr Maybach - two sisters who held a large number of shares and would not part with them.
  13. Fishtigua

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    These days, everyone has a little bit of everyone else. Volvos are either Perkins blocks for the small ones or Mitsubishi for the bigger lumps.

    Ford, GM, MB and all the rest of them will sell to anyone. Thats the market.
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    Hi,

    Ain't that the truth.

    I know of some of the Mitsi based Volvos that have had a run of spun main bearing shells due to improper assembly which have proved very interesting for the Owners when it comes to who is liable for the warranty.

    I recently doing an acceptance run on a CAT 3056 Emergency Genset, I was surprised to see what looks like a Caterpillar Yellow Perkins 6-354 complete with the Perkins Logo on the Cylinder Head casting.
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    Welcome to my bloody world, mate. Bit of a ship-fight going on too.
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    Rolls Royce Ugh!

    I am involved in marine engineering and I have witnessed 3 great companies, products and service go to complete **** once RR took over. It is so bad that I don't know how the planes fly.... Brattvaag, Frydenbo & Bergen.
  17. Fishtigua

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    I was just saying that everybody owns a little bit of everyone else.

    In the London Times it says that Zodiac Inflatables (Yep, those crusty orange dinghies but also the escape shoots on aircraft). Founded in 1898 and owned by Warburg-Pincus/Survitec.

    Gone.

    Now owned by Seaweather Marine, really owned by Revere Inc.

    Nope, me neither????:confused:
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    Hi,

    Fish - Next time you put one through the hoop on a Vacuum dunny just think it might well be manufactured by a Zodiac subsidiary especially if it has an EVAC Label on the lid.
  19. Fishtigua

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    Mate,

    If that happens on an aircraft, I'm kicking my boots off and in cruise-mode already. Champagne all round. :D