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  1. FencingAg

    FencingAg New Member

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    Hello!

    Looking to finally upgrade to a larger boat, and I am looking at a Post this weekend. I have always loved the lines of Posts, and it has always seemed to be a very good boat.

    I was wondering what advice I could get from everyone on here, as far as what to look for. I am going to have them run the boat and gen, and a brand new A/C was just installed. I will be looking for soft spots, especially under 2 hatches, that they told me were leaking. Much of the interior is going to have to be redone, which is fine, as I was looking for a project boat and the price is pretty great.

    I already know hull will need cleaning, along with (likely) new bottom paint.

    What are the other specific potential problem areas to check in the 46? I am going through the forums looking for everything I can find, but I am afraid I may miss something.

    Thanks in advance!
  2. RT46

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    We have an 88 46'
    we are very happy with the boat. She has exceeded our expectations.
    I am very impressed with the overall build quality.
    I have not done any major work or repairs.
    The boat has no major issues.
    I really cant think of any real negatives or show stoppers.
    It is a bit slow by todays standards.
    I have 671 TIBs, some 46's came with 692s and are a few knots faster.
    It has little or no deadrise which can be difficult to handle in a following sea, especially if you overload the bow.
    I have the upgraded oversized rudders that reduce the following sea handling issues.
    The boat is very stable at anchor, or on the drift, and does not have the snap roll of some boats that have more deadrise.
    I do have some wet fore deck coring that seems to be a result of dingy davit and anchor pulpit through deck fittings. Ive owned the boat over 1o years and it has not spread. I just keep an eye on it and its on the things to do repair list.
    feel free to DM me if you have any questions.
  3. Stainless45

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    Get a reputable surveyor and also pay for an engine survey from a guy who knows Detroits. Invest in a moisture meter to find out the extent of moisture in the foredeck and possibly below the salon windows. They all have some. It's a 35 year old boat, so be realistic about your budget. You're going to need a decent amount of cash on hand to get things working properly, and replace consumable items, and whatever has been neglected.
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  4. RT46

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    100% agree
  5. Capt Ralph

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    100% agree

    Post kids are cool.
    71s rule..

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  6. FencingAg

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    Much appreciated all. I am planning on having quite a bit of money to put into getting it up into good shape, even if it looks good. THank you for letting me know where the common moisture issue spots are, that helps.

    Was already planning on bringing along my friend, who is a diesel mechanic. That is one area I definitely want backup on.

    Thanks again!
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    But is your friend an expert on 2 stroke DD's ?
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  8. FencingAg

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    Allegedly, yes. I know that he has worked on several in the past, and tells me he has worked on a couple of Posts. I guess I will find out soon enough. Ha!

    He's only an engine guy, though, which is why I was asking for more specifics on where to look otherwise.
  9. Capt Ralph

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    Your visit this weekend just a look and tire kick or a ride and trials?

    If the engines are started for you, ensure they are cold and not warmed up earlier in the morning for your visit. (old used car sales guy trick)
    The exhaust smoke can tell a lot when first started. Color and smoke type.
    How long it smokes and if the smoke burns your eyes.
    Take a whiff of the engine oil, smell like fuel?
    Ensure you find out what clutch she has, I recall TD506 was the norm. Maybe some Alison.
    Copy the engine and clutch model and serial numbers down if you can. Pictures of the boat and motors, you can upload here would be great.

    We luv to get into this stuff.
    Is there a web page with this boats listing?

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  10. FencingAg

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    This is a look and see visit. I am having them start the engines, so I will make sure to do what you ask. I will post lots of pictures when I get back (Late Sunday night).

    As far as I know, no website listing yet - I am getting the first look at it - It's good to be in the casino biz and be connected, ha!

    I will definitely find out what the clutch is and will get serial numbers. Thank you!
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  11. RT46

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    I have Capitol gears.
    yes, a cold start will tell you alot about a Detroit.
    I would pay for an engine survey, money well spent.
    Even if nothing major is wrong, an impartial professional mechanical survey can be very helpful.
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    Give the aluminum fuel tanks a good going over while you're there. You'll also be able to look at the rudder linkage and steering cylinder while you're in the lazzarette.
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    Where is the boat located ?
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    Ok, so I haven't had time to upload pictures yet, but I went and looked at the boat. Boat was priced at listed $60K, so that indicated what shape it was likely in.

    The good -
    1) The hull itself and the majority of the fiberglass seemed good. No soft spots other than one bad one in the rear wall of the salon (in the bad section). All structural elements seemed solid. And the boat is floating, so that's a plus.
    2) The bilge was bone dry. There was oil evident under the engines, but the rest of the bilge was in great shape.
    3) I love the lines of the boat. I know that's why I'm looking at these, but it was really pretty
    4) Lower cabins/ Galley area were in pretty good shape, except under one hatch in one of the bathrooms
    5) Not too many dings in the non structural fiberglass and the hull in particular, from what I could see, looked great.
    6) Engines were clean a little rust where the paint peeled off, but nothing major- I realized once I got there that I didn't know where to find the serial numbers, so they are sending them to me.
    7) All exterior metal seemed very clean. Very little corrosion. Didn't see any rust or corrosion anywhere where metal met fiberglass.

    The bad -

    1) the back wall of the salon (up against the tackle storage and sink) was rotted so badly under the window, that there was literally a couple of holes in that wall.
    2) On the port side where the salon connected to the flybridge, there was a large crack in the fiberglass.
    3) all 3 of hatches on the bow of the boat were shattered and covered with plastic - amazingly the interior didn't seem to have taken any damage.
    4) The boat has sat in the same place for 3 years, and there is about 1-1.5 inches of growth on the bottom of the boat that I can feel from the pier. Very rough.
    5) The carpet in the salon is in terrible shape, and one section is fairly damp (right near the door, wondering if the seal is good)
    6) All headliner throughout the boat will need to be replaced. It is all sagging, and some is molded from water intrusion through the hatches.
    7) All exterior wood will need to be refinished, a couple of pieces of wood trim were missing entirely.
    8) The SimRad and all electronics were BADLY corroded, and I have no idea if they will work at all.
    9) They could not crank the boat, because the batteries were dead (reading 6 volts), so neither my friend (mostly him) nor I, could get a sense of the engine. Upon inspection visually, he said the engines looked good, everything from that point of view looked fine
    10) All furniture in the salon would have to be replaced.

    The ugly -

    1) The broker knew almost nothing about the boat itself. Didn't know if there was any eisenglass (sp), didn't know any history of the boat, other than that I found out it was a bank repo.
    2) One group of guys turned the bank down for an opportunity to flip it, and they were the first ones to find the back wall was toast.
    3) The generator showed 27,000 hours. That seems incredibly high for a boat just sitting for 3 years. generator is a NorPro 12.5KW
    kw

    Talking to him, the price seems to be pretty strongly negotiable, but I can tell it's going to take a whole lot of work (Not worried about that part, I wanted a small project - it just seems this will be a big one)

    As soon as I get the pictures uploaded, I will. Let me know what you all think.

    Thanks!
  16. Capt Ralph

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    The gen-set hour meter is reading 2700.0 hours, 2 thousand, seven hundred POINT zero.
    The lil Kubota engine is good past 4000+ hours with proper maintenance.

    Remember to edit the pictures sizes down to 800 pixels wide and post all you can.
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    You didn’t mention condition of electrical system, heads, fuel tanks, sea valves, etc. These are key items that can be very expensive depending on condition.

    Are you considering buying it without being able to test engines or without hauling it to see bottom condition, running gear and thru hulls? If yes; you are much braver than me.

    You said you wanted a small project. This sounds like a huge project from your description. And that’s before you get into what you haven’t found yet. How much $$ will you put into it and what will it be worth when time comes to sell it? If you’re doing it for the love of the project I totally get it.
  18. C team

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    If you really wanted a big project boat than more power to you. You have to look at all the additional expenses of a project and of course your sweat equity. I would think by the time you add up all the costs involved and labor to bring this boat back to a decent shape, you can find another Post for the same amount of money in much better shape.
    jmtc….
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  19. Stainless45

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    This is spot on. What you describe sounds like a few boats that I walked away from. I got my 1990 at fair market price and she was in decent shape. I spent 2 years of my labor and about $50k getting her to where I'm reasonably satisfied. Not fancy, but reliable.
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  20. Tight Lines

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    @FencingAg - what’s the status, did you pass on making an offer?

    +1 for everything that’s been written above. If you haven’t done so already, take some time to read Pascoe’s ramblings about sportfish surveys, our boats, Berts, Hatties and Vikes of this era as well.
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