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Is this a Hargrave or a Horizon... ?

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  1. Yacht News

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    I looked at this and swore it was from another well-known manufacturer who have been making yachts that look pretty much exactly like this. This was built by this Hargrave/HSY collaboration in 2020 and to me resembles an FD series yacht from Horizon. This yacht, called "G.G" is 92.4-feet long and sits right between the FD90 and FD100 that Horizon makes. Coincidence? I put the HSY/Hargrave Yacht next to a Horizon FD90 model and you just can't unsee it.

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    You could have put a “graphic content warning’ on the thread title. Gonna have nightmares tonight. Just as butt ugly as the new Lazzara 87UHV
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    I mentioned that on OB's Hargrave Observations and Questions thread in June but nobody seemed to agree. Interior similar too except Hargrave has modified the beach club and added a neat atrium style to lower lobby. Otherwise pretty much the same boat. Agree with Pascal. it looks boxy at that length but improves as it gets longer. The 102 (now a 110) Horizon looks better. Hargrave notes that the owner went to Horizon first but couldn't get the modifications he wanted.
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    perhaps i am old fashioned, to me some of the newer builds are far from pleasing to the eye, along with the many windows and what seems on many to be higher center of gravities thus i do wonder if the new builds maintain the sea-keeping abilities of the older more traditional yacht designs...

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    That explains the name. Not the first Hargrave to wear the G.G. badge. Interesting vantage point on the picture Ron posted; looking north at the Sunrise bridge. The location of the 'imposter' is where another Hargrave was docked for years.
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    Most of the bloated Ultra High Volume yachts are ugly including the Hargrave pictured above, but to me the Princess X95 is the clear winner for ugliest, possibly followed by the Lazzara UHV 87. But they are selling -- I have seen a number of them in Newport and in the ICW in Stuart.
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    You're right. Nothing succeeds like success. The Horizon 87/90 has been astonishingly successful. I think they have delivered 20 and its a new model. "Cousin designs" like Numarine, OA and Princess are also selling. Even the Sirena 88 shows kinship. Its the hot look in the 75 to 105 foot market and may grow larger.
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    BTW The 92 in question disappeared off Hargrave's listings today. If it sold it sold pretty fast.
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    I love reading and laughing at all the derogatory and ugly comments. Let's see, should a manufacturer continue to try to sell only the classic designs that are not selling or adapt to a changing market of designs that are rapidly moving in volume? The thoughts so many are expressing are those that lead to failed manufacturers. As a manufacturer, I learned years ago that my tastes are completely irrelevant. It's all about what the customer likes and wants. I applaud these boat builders who are willing to take chances and go in new directions. If one wants a classic design, I'm sure they'll be glad to build one but clearly not what their customers are requesting.
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    I don't think I was derogatory or ugly. It may not be to my exact taste but I was pretty clear in acknowledging that this is one of the hot looks for now and Hargrave was perfectly reasonable in making it. Heaven knows it sold fast enough and they claim it is the first yacht in their new C Series. Good luck to them.
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    Laugh if you want but we are still living in a (somewhat) free society and allowed to express opinions.

    I also applaud any manufacturer that come up with new breakthrough successful designs but we still have the right to express opinions.

    Obviously beauty is the eye of the beholder.
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    I believe this boat has been sold.
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    I didn't say you did. Two members did call it ugly.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the buying public likes these boats and while I've used the word "ugly" too, probably better to say "not my taste" than ugly.

    Those calling it ugly are just expressing their opinions and that is fine. However, the market disagrees with them. Similarly as they're free to express their opinions, I'm free to laugh at them.
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    It is not to my taste, artistically speaking. With all due respect to the designer(s) and builder. Is this polite enough? Posted while smiling.
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    My last kick at this particular can. What did impress me was the interior. Hargrave interiors don't always WOW but for me this one did. Shelley DiCondina, the house designer really hit the mark (to my taste:)) There is a 3 minute tour on You tube for those interested. Just google Hargrave 92 GG Youtube

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    I learned a few things in my day regarding my opinions vs. my customers’ opinions :

    1. Did I want to be right, or did I want to get paid?
    2. You know who’s ideas people love? Their own.
    3. Never “yuck on someone’s yum”

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    All boats are fun, some are just more fun.
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    Badly proportioned might be more defensible than ugly, as proportions are not subjective. It is possible the buyers don’t find them pretty, but they meet their needs, and that is more important to them.
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    The interior and layout is great! The exterior profile is um....different strokes for different folks.
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    Well, maybe I should have called them boxy. I agree boat builders should be encouraged to try new designs and looks. But some of the new ultra-high-volume yachts -- the Princess X95 comes to mind --look so boxy they seem unwieldy. But no doubt fairly soon most of the UHV yachts will seem ordinary and inoffensive to me.
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    I had not looked closely at the X95, but like all boats it has things that appeal to me and those that don't. However, the so boxy that it seems unwieldy I don't get. I do dislike only a single helm. However, the view from both the bridge and the salon are great. By the shape, they've gotten the master onto the main and created space for 5 cabins plus crew. Just a great use of space. I guess what you refer to as boxy is the extended glass forward on the main deck with the master instead of unused deck space. Great walk around deck. Boat doesn't appeal to me for other reasons, but I'm just not bothered by it's appearance.

    As an aside, the number one criticism I hear Westport is that their styling is old and dated even with changes they've made on a couple of new models. They are still far more classic than European. That may gain them some sales but will likely lose some. I know Hargrave was often looked at as similar design, less expensive, and I think for varied reasons Hargrave had to search for new customers to buy.

    The challenge on all builders is to stay in turn with an evolving market. Some then can afford to be different. The boat we just built and are on is a builder who tailors to a very small segment of boat buyers and that is always a tough proposition for any builder and a threat to survival.