Discussion in 'General Trawler Discussion' started by TimL, Nov 2, 2011.
It's significantly cheaper than the Hatt though.
"cheaper" I dislike that word. I guess my age comes into play. To me it addresses quality more than it does just plan price. If that is what is implied O.K. But so often the intent is to mean - less expensive. Which is it here? Maybe both. -- I am easily confused!
Upon checking my old Random House Dictionary 1966, it seems I have been in error for some time. #1 definition is, "of a RELATIVE low price; inexpensive". Oh well, I still don't like it.
No, you're right as to the natural inclination to equate low price with low quality. Sometimes in marketing, you price higher just to be sure you create the impression of being upscale.
I didn't mean lower quality, my apologies. It is better bang for your buck but I feel that there is a reason why that's the case. Labor rates would be one but I usually like to go in and analyze all of the reasons.
I remember the term; Cost Reduced was used by my past company. It was still cheap (quality)..
This is an interesting exterior design.
It s a good looking but 1100hp C18 on a boat that size is too small and these engines are going to be pushed hard
I looked up the test on the endurance 72... same power, tops at 21kts and burns 86goh at 18kts? Yikes. I guess the hull is designed to be run at hull speed with a capability to just hop on plane, if you have enough fuel left for the guzzling...
The 62' I manage has the same engines, same fuel burn and same speed!!!!
That s crazy... the johnson 70 I used to run burned 80gph at 20/21 kts... the Lazzara 84 i run now (heavier skylounge version ) burns 75gph @20/21
At 18kts, we re only burning 58gph running 1500 rpm and under 40% load
Yeah, well, welcome to the world of Asian yachts. I've never run a single one that was remotely normal when it came to speed/fuel burn versus Horsepower except the Hunt 72 MY I recently ran, it cruised at 28.5 knots but at around 160 gph. Fast but still thirsty. Everything else cruised at 21 knots or below and drank it.
How's the quality of the Johnson? I was looking around and it looks like they sell the 105 for $6.5M which seems pretty low (according to yachtworld).
The 70 I ran is a 2003. Got on in 08 and ran it till earlier this year. Quality is pretty good (although not a Hatt ), put over 3500 hours on the cats and never had to cancel a trip or lost any system while on a trip. 4 runs to nantucket, and dozens of trips across the stream and the NW channel to the Exumas. Great layout, incredible aft deck. 4 guest SR with ensuite heads, one of which used as a crew if needed
Good performance, top just shy of 30kts, cruise at 20 to 24 (about 80/85 GPH at 21/22kts on 55/60% load) Sow down to 10kts and burned only 18gph.
After running around fast in "sit down and hang on" mode for 10 years, I have adjusted nicely to 9kts and 9gph.
Wellllllll, I wasn't paying for the fuel However, you can ALWAYS run that boat at 9 knots and get the same fuel economy and fast when you want to.
That's good to hear. I just looked at the below link and was curious about the quality given the price as compared to the rest of the market for that size range.
I ran a 105' Johnson, 16v2000s. My friend was the full time captain on her, the first one they built actually for about 7 years. It was a good sea boat, much better and faster than the 86' it was stetched from, would cruise at 21 knots. I'd go along as 2nd Captain on long deliveries, very stable, dry etc. Had a few qualms with her. The freshwater tank is very small, only 600 gallons I believe and with guests needed a 125 gph watermaker to keep up. The fuel transfer breakers were at the very front of the engine room and no auto shut off, so easy to spew fuel into the ocean when the day tanks got full. The 2 main fuel tanks, could only transfer out the last 30% of one tank when the vessel was at rest, could only transfer out the last 30% of the other tank if the vessel was underway. Staterooms and everything else was very nicely laid out. Galley was unusually small for it's size.
what year is the boat you manage
and do you think they are getting better?