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  1. Dan balmer

    Dan balmer Member

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    Hi all. Am owner of 2000 yr 50’ Post and have changed carpet in salon with wood laminate flooring but seem to have increased the engine noise level in salon because of removing the 1/2” carpet padding and carpet and installed only 2 layers of 1/8” cork under payment and wood laminate flooring which looks great. Anyway would like to entertain the idea of installing sound reducing sheet material to ceiling of engine room which is quite nice and shiny white and has a large stainless steel sheet mounted over each engine spaced 1 1/2” off the ceiling. Do I need this? What is its purpose? If it not really needed I would like to remove it completely to allow the install of the sound proof ing. So if that is possible then what soundproofing thickness sheet should I use? I also would like to know how feasible it would be to pop up the laminate flooring and install a sound barrier of some sort and reinstall the easily puzzled together laminate flooring. My generator is a westerbeke 15 that is no longer able to get a sound enclosure for and is too noisy for my taste My engines are MTUs with twin turbo
    Anyway was wondering if the engine room ceiling insulation install might take of the the whole noise problem. That’s the story. And if you could give me some insight into this please do
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    SoundDown in Ft Lauderdale can provide you with their dense rubber matting. Remove the wood flooring, cover the floor with the rubber matting, and then reinstall the wood floor atop a thin underlayment to which the wood can be adhered so that your reinstallation floats without fastener penetrations. Those penetrating fasteners transmit noise. The rubber mat will kill a significant amount of the engine volume. Removing flooring fasteners helps quite a bit as well.

    The rubber matting is 2# PSF, and it will remain in place where you put it, so don't fasten it.
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  3. Capt Ralph

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    Universal sound tents are available for Gen-Sets.
    I built a rigid panel box around my 30kw set and lined it with the acoustical foam sheets.
    On my 8kw, just an acoustical sheet above and on the shared bulkhead to a guest stateroom is all it needed.

    I have often thought about installing sound sheets in my ER. A friend did his with the nice white vinyl comers.
    Really looked good but did not soften his Detroits much at all. So I did not go there.
    Something about Detroits, hard to quiet them down.

    You have already experienced that the floor covering makes a difference, IMO, go back with it.
  4. Dan balmer

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    Thanks so much for getting back to me so soon. The flooring is that floating laminate flooring from lowes that will float over the sound down stuff I think. Anyone know what the stainless shield s are for? I be heard of the generator soft shied stuff and will probably go that route but just wondering if I could kill two birds with one stone with soundshieding the whole ceiling of the engine room
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    A suspended layer of sheet metal is a heat barrier.
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    How do you keep the rubber mats and laminate in place for engine room hatches etc? Can you use some 3M sticky glue?
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    Acoustical foam sheets can be ordered with peel & stick backing.
    Other mounting options include securing studs to the wall and use washers and keeper caps.
    I just use big fender washers and 1 x 8 self taping screws.

    Gravity works well for decks or hatches. The rubber backing itself will not let it slide.
    A little glue could be used also but can leave a mess when removal time comes.
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    Gravity works extra well for our saloon 3' x 3' office carpet squares. Nice rubber backing.
    When down, it looks like typical wall to wall, one piece.
    Lift the center 2 squares away and access to the ER is just under the gas-sprung deck hatch.
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  9. Dan balmer

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    I have a cockpit access to the engine room not any hatch s to worry about
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    The sound down and dynamat products work very well. Can be installed in multiple layers also. I like foil backed ones cause they help with heat. Look for any penetrations in salon floor sound can pour thru. Wire chases and such will transmit sound and heat very well. For any hatches or semi permanent openings we carefully mark the sound down with a sharpie out lining it. Use a razor to cut when needed, duct tape cut when completed. Don't forget sound down in bottom of cabinets. Sound is good at finding holes in your armor. Padded headliner helps also.
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    Our 43 has about 3" thick acoustic matting on the undeside of the hatches (look above the engines), and thick acoustic batting on boards mounted to stand-off the hull sides. (can see around the board holding bettery cutoffs). No idea when/who put it in, I had presumed it was factory?

    -greg

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    And perforated aluminum is the better choice for this, as opposed to stainless. Aluminum will absorb more heat more quickly and cool faster.
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    Keep in mind the time in the future where you'll need the major overhaul. That floor will need to come out. I did a similar salon in full length T&G mahogany with oversized T&G for a quality lap. The boards were numbered on the bottom side and refinished prior to install. Once in place I drove rubber wedges between the wall and outer edge of the floating floor to lock them in place and keep the laps tight. I secured the rubber wedges with baseboard trim made of the same flooring material, mechanically fastened to the walls. I created a stainless trim overlap for the door openings to secure and protect the end grains and eliminate trips. The floor was purely floating atop the heavy rubber mat. The full structure was removable for major ER work, and it killed noise with terrific success.
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    Good stuff. I focused my sub-floor insulation with thermal insulation and perforated aluminum sheets to resist heat transmission and relied on a hollow core (nidacore) floor system as well as the Sounddown rubber to kill the noise. Yes, attack chases and any surfaces in touch with the ER shell like steps and cabinets, etc...
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    Hummmm,, Aluminum; Absorb heat on one side, release heat on the other side, 0.80" thick?
    Releases heat up to the bottom of the floor deck,
    Turns grey and deteriorates in a hot salt air environment.

    Or, The factory installation;

    Stainless; Reflect the heat if you can with a heat reflecting, polished, good looking, thinner and lighter stainless panel.
    Not to absorb heat but will achieve ambient temperature.

    I'll be rite there if these panels are removed. Would love to have them over my Detroits.
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    Cockpit and salon floor is 2" foam core with carbon skins. Good thermal properties but not sound. So dynamat made a big difference.
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    Yes, as it did for me, too. And the installation concept still allowed pretty easy access for major maintenance in the ER or on the engines themselves...
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    cant believe how much room is in Greg Page's 43 engine room with those cats!
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    The CATs are at least a foot shorter then the DD's. The old engine mount holes are filled with resin. I like being able to sit on the stringers ahead of the engines to access the engines and the systems on the outboard side. I think the top clearance to the hatches is larger as well. The transmissions are in essentially the same place.
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    really nice job, C9's?