Discussion in 'Tenders & Dinghies' started by Pascal, Jul 11, 2020.
As my cousin said; Arree, there is the rub;;
Per OP, used boats.
"Florida typically has bias against the NC /SC builders. They barked for years that the Regulators were not true fishing boats as they all came standard with seating in the bow, now the Florida builders are offering them as well once they understood the versatility of that feature."
I ANSWERED WHY. It has nothing to do with bow seating, and everything to do with fishing.
Here is pic of a new regulator. Lot weight and torque on the stern
J, it had everything to do with the built in bow seats. The other forums have tons of discussion on the topic, pros and cons. Regulator chose to have a more universal appeal for their CC design that can fish and multi-task, family and guest friendly, the Florida CC builders have just caught on in the last couple of years after blasting them earlier. That’s the irony.
A live well does not make a CC with universal SF appeal as I stated earlier, good drink holders/ storage though.
It had nothing to do with bow seating. Jupiters had bow seating and their 34's were considered great fish boats in the early 2000's. I manage a 2006 27' whaler outrage and a 2008 32', both have bow seating, stern seating, both have 2 livewells and 3 fish boxes standard, tackle centers standard. The regulators are horribly setup for fishing.....even in 2020......transom livewell is an easy way to lose bait overboard....and it's too small and the only livewell......the transom fish boxes are horrible also for losing fish, and not shaped properly for something like a 30lb mahi or wahoo or kingfish.....neither is the optional floor one being square and toos short.......they're just not well thought out for fishing.....when cruising center consoles like Scout and Boston Whaler have done a far better job, and their primary focus is families and not fishing.......Seavee, Yellowfin, Contender and others are just far better fishing machines for any area of the country and carribbean...... The regulator is an in between boat (cruising,fishing,diving) that doesn't excel at anything.
You just like to argue and for some strange reason must be involved with regulator.
First, since you falsely state I am involved with Regulator I will put an end to that nonsense right now, nothing to do with them.
I gave a backdrop to CC design and utility and you can’t keep your mouth shut YOU argue meaningless points and bring in extraneous topics while creating an atmosphere of harassment, just your typical series of evening posts, does not bring out the best in you J and is quite tiresome for most on this forum. Give it a rest and move on.
I've not spent much time on center consoles but there are a lot of Sea Hunts in our neck of the woods. I've been out on a 30' with twin 300 Yamahas in 3' seas at 30 knots and had a very dry and decent ride.
did a demo ride on a NEW Viking CC Valhalla 33, very impressed with ride and quality of the boat.
which my neighbors ended up placing an ordering, it will sometimes be the towed tender behind 80' Viking SF.
i believe 24 degs. deadrise and choice of Merc. or Yamaha upto to 900hp max.
You make invalid arguments directed at me based on points that have nothing to do with the thread. Always mention some off the wall low volume boat based upon a Loe Condega hull design which doesn't hold a candle to Micheal Peters or Donald Blount.......Bow seating has nothing to do why Floridians don't consider them fishing boats (your argument, which is what I responded to). It's all of the reasons I stated, THEN you back peddle and then mention totally different things. It doesn't matter what I post, you quote me, spout something that isn't relevant, isn't on topic, or is totally off the wall. YOU-"Floridians have bias against SC/NC builders and don't like regulators because they have bow seating"....... just to clue you in, Florida builders were the first to come out with bow seating in center consoles....... ie. 31' rybo runners, 31' Jupiters and 34' Ventures in the late 1990's all had bow seating, while the Carolina boys weren't even dreaming of building center consoles over 30' yet. Floridian fisherman don't like them because they're not properly set up for fishing, Floridian cruisers don't like them because they're not quite set up or plush enough for them either compared to Intrepid, whaler, scout, Nor-tech and others. They're not fast either, a 34' with 3-300's only does 61 mph. So what is the drawing card, because they don't ride as good as a 34' Seavee, Yellowfin, or Contender either. It's just like the 35' Carolina Classic, it was/is a terrific running/riding 35' express, it is a quality boat, I ran one from Pensacola, FL to Falmouth, mass in 14 days, every day in the ocean. But when you look at the rest of the boat, it just doesn't hold a candle to a Cabo or similar express of the same era that's nicely finished off, doesn't have black plexiglass for every cabinet door, rows of cheap looking switches on a black plexi dash panel and etc. etc.....Regulator makes a quality boat, but sadly it just doesn't excel in any area of the center console market, it is a compromise design. It's not crazy fast and flashy with good seating and a great ride like the Nortech, it doesn't have complete ammenities for every type of boater (at an expense of speed and ride) like whalers, it's not a serious fish boat like Yellowfin, seavee, contender. It just does everything average, and for some people, that's ok, but for the Florida market it's not.
It’s a miracle that a company like Regulator can still be in business since 1988 given your comments, your ignorance outshines your content and only confirms my bias comment.
And you have no idea how the Naval Architect community works so you should refrain from speculating and insulting professionals when you are so clueless.
When you look at the requirements from the OP, there probably is no better fit in 34 feet than a 34SS Regulator with the extended wrap around bow seating to accommodate 12 - 15 guests in an open CC.
I would be interested on the setup needed to tow a Catamaran, any idea if it has been done before?
The only negative with the Regulator is having a single aisle to go back n forth between bow and stern. More seating but a bottleneck. Not a deal killer though
Lots of great input on here and thank you to those that mentioned Mag Bay. We have an option on our 33's for an aft bench seat that comfortably seats three adults or four kids. You can seat 10 adults comfortably on our boat without being too cramped. We've built plenty of boats with a reinforced tow eye and our transom is reinforced on all boats for lifting or anything of the sort. We've done mostly Mercury boats lately as they seem to perform a lot better than the Yamahas. We did one boat with the 425 XTO's by owner request and I'd be very hesitant to put another set on.
We have a few boats that are dedicated tenders that are towed by a wide range of boats. Hull 4 has been towed behind a 90' Northstar for the last few years, we have a 33 in the Seychelles that is towed behind an 82' Viking, we had one towed behind a bigger Horizon and we have another that will be towed by the owners' Feadship or A&R depending on which boat is in town.
Here is a listing for one of our later boats that has the aft bench seating and was purpose built as a cruiser/ tender. https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2020/mag-bay-33-center-console-demo-3598711/
That's a pretty boat.
It has several areas that need serious improvement as a yacht tender or serious fishing boat, but I don't think you have any idea what the needs of a yacht tender really are.
1. It has a head that nobody can sit on due to being sandwiched in a cubby hole between the wall and sink, not ideal for 12-15 yacht passengers.
2. It has a bolted on bracket that everyone in the industry has gotten away with well over 10 years ago and went to an integral bracket because they fill up with water and make the stern heavy.
3. It doesn't have an integral glass 3 sided windshield (that actually protects the driver) with windshield wiper and instead has a cheesy center console mounted plexi windshield that does little to block the wind and also everyone else has gotten away from well over 10 years ago.
4. It's stern door is directly behind the motor and on top of the bracket and narrow, so it's useless for boating a large fish or for people to use as a dive door, and makes it extremely hard to get people out of the water because they have nothing to grab onto when climbing up the swim ladder unless you count a slippery motor cowling, whereas everyone else has gone to a dive door mounted on the hull side with nothing in the way well over 10 years ago. Getting people of all ages and physical condition in and out of the water safely is a HUGE priority for a yacht tender.
When compared to a 35' Outrage (or Intrepid) that is, well, updated and a modern design you can clearly see the differences and the Outrage can comfortably seat as many people without blocking a walkway. The little things are the reason why you see Whalers and Intrepids all over and as popular as they are. If you look at the pictures of either linked below, you will see for yourself that these boats excel at providing a 5 star experience for yacht passengers. Look at the seating, the helm, the comfortable/accessible head, the dive door with ladder and grab rails (a 400 lb guy can get out of the water on either boat), the windshield that protects the driver and a passenger from 60 mph wind/rain, everything is finished off nicely. These are all necessities for a yacht tender.
When you tow a tender this size how do you manage/control it in a marina or a sudden slow down ?
You unhook it outside of the marina in a safe place and the mate drives it into the marina, or you tie it on the hip. If you only have 1 mate, you let him get the lines placed (and fenders on the big boat), have him run the tender in and secure it, then pick the mate up at the fuel dock or wherever and then he secures the big boat as you come into the slip. The tender slows down very fast as you leave the engines partially in the water to create drag and so that it tracks straight.
A simple bridle from both bow sponsons/hulls.
There is A 2016 33 right there in Miami on YachtWorld. Good looking boat, I love the transom. unfortunately I don’t see a dive door or a transom door which is odd. Hopping over the transom isn’t ideal. Am I just not seeing the door?