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Building a new yacht; seeking suggestions

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  1. AMG

    AMG YF Moderator

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    As we were talking of the Moonen 85', perhaps you remember the enlarged version I have posted earlier. She is without the canoe stern and with hard chines to improve speed and reduce rolling. Otherwise she is pretty much the same as the 85´, with three cabins and two for crew or mixed use.

    The raised wheelhouse is not taking away much space below as you have all the electronic boxes here and what is left is a nice and dry storage area. The laundry is to the port as in the Moonen 85.

    On this version there is an office divided from the owners cabin, otherwise you use the full beam, but this was intended as a liveaboard-yacht.

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  2. GrahamF

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    Nilo

    Thanks but a new build at the moment is not on the cards. He had a San Lorenzo before and he likes the volume on these boats. He also likes the italian design when it comes to interior. He does like the look of the Moonen. Is it possible to send me all the Specs of your boat. Thanks in advance.
  3. nilo

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    Yes and cheaper as well! But the point is you tend to see the wood, but not the stainless railing. Somehow the brain does not notice the stainless and perceives it as transparent. If we will have wood on the railing this defines the railing and you start to see the railing.
  4. nilo

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    Indeed 85 was also one of my favorites and inspiration points for this new build. The success with 85 was to introduce a contemporary example of the iconic Willem de Vries designs. I believe they represent Dutch design very nicely. I hope we will be able to take this one step further.
  5. AMG

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    Hmm, I don´t think I am buying this explanation...;)

    From my new place I am looking out over my terrace all the time, and all I see is my boat!

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  6. Mov-it!

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    Beekmans makes nice stainless caprails, so you could also complete skip wooden applications. Would also give it a nice and modern touch.
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    The view OutYourWindow could be greatly enhanced with a Christmas present wish...
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  8. AMG

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    Yes, but it may be windy at the same time. Anyway, my chainsaw will be used after the leafs are fallen in a couple of months, now it is a jungle down there.
  9. nilo

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    Lars,

    Nicely noted, but you must be making quite an effort to find that specific angle:D . I will try to take some pictures when I am on the boat next week and show my perspective for a change:) . By the way the whole idea is to make the other objects in one's view a discrete as possible; so that they do not pop-up when you are looking further out.
  10. nilo

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    As I've tried to explain to Lars, the less is in the way, the better it could be.
  11. nilo

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    We are somewhat advancing with the design, which I hope to share with you in due course. In the meantime, I am starting to investigate technical issues to reach a greener and quiter boat and score advances on the technical issues. One of the major problems through out the years was the soot I was having from the generator exhausts, mainly when they are not working under load. I have noted that Northern lights have coupled with Centek to find a remedy for this issue.

    http://www.centekindustries.com/gen-kleen-filtration.html

    Does anybody has first hand experience with this product? Is it working efficiently?
  12. nilo

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    active silencers for MTU engines

    I had the chance to read an article about MTU installing "Improved single resilient mounting type „VIB HD 56“ for ships with high requirements for
    acoustic comfort and no shock requirements (e.g. luxury yachts)"

    Unfortunately it is a 2.5 mbits pdf document, so I cannot attach it here, but does anybody have a first hand experience with these mounts? Do they perform as claimed?
  13. nilo

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    Profile for Moonen 110

    This is what we have achieved as the initial profile. As you will notice she is a 3 decker. The pilot house is on the top deck. There will be an enclosed area behind the pilot house. It will be possible to lower the windows in this area; the aim is to achieve a single area for the whole of aft deck. We are planning to store the tender in the lower deck to keep the top deck free and also to keep the center of gravity as low ass possible. As you will notice the stairs and the ventilation ducts are on the sides of the main deck. This will give the salon a 180 degree view and will give the feeling of a single space with the aft deck. We are trying to reach a profile which will give the impression of a strong sea going ship as well as a yacht that will suit to the environment in the Med.

    I would be eager to hear comments.

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    that looks nice, but in the same situation kinda heavy at the top - the forward section of the main deck looks like the Benettis crawling around in the med, but i think it doesn't fit the pilot house... it reminds me somehow of the big german sea rescue ships, (sea rescue, german only@wikipedia)
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    I believe part of that effect is the "reflection" in nilo's image. I quickly cropped the profile picture with a piece of paper held against my screen and the hull looks quite a bit better. As nilo said, she definitely gives "the impression of a strong sea going ship", no doubt about that. My first impression was exactly that. Her lines give the impression of a larger vessel.

    I do wonder though, how she might look with a little less shade over her transom.
  16. Mov-it!

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    The design looks nice. A recognisable Van der Velden. It also has a strong sea going character, but the third deck challenges the proportions. It has a sort of pick-up truck toughness. As a new Moonen design language it certainly gives a good direction. I'm really pleased with the new porthole design in the guest cabins. The glazed areas of the salon will provide plenty of natural light inside and the railings around the aft deck will give a nice unobstructed view.

    I guess that this yacht will be marketed as a one-of long range/explorer instead of a semi-series. I would suggest to make an additional profile design of an RPH based on this design. It will be a viable semi that will fit the Moonen program perfectly. Like Lars indicated earlier, The RPH "lost" space can be put to good use as well for technical stuff. I would prefer it as a wine cellar:D .

    What was your first impression of the design Nilo?
  17. nilo

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    Bjorn,

    Thanks very much for your constructive comments. Although this will be the 1st boat, the idea is to fill the gap between 97 and 124 of the series and introduce her as a new line in the series boats. So, it is very important to get the design parameters correct for a general taste.

    I have the iconic Saga, Spada in mind to beat in terms of design and come up with something that is carrying this design a step further with contemporary elements. She should be a boat to go to high seas with a Pasific range, but should also feel at home in the Med waters on the French coast. I reailise that this is no easy target, but we should try to be better than what is already created.

    So, we will work some more for the styling, but strongly believe that we should not deviate from the 3 deck layout.
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    Jannick your comments well appreciated. We will look into how we can improve her profile and still keep her as a 3 decker.
  19. Mov-it!

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    Hi Nilo,
    I've re-sized the 124 to a 110. The proportions stay relatively intact here.

    I think that the proportions of the 110 have something to do with the bulk of the hull being at the first 1/3rd of the yacht. There is a lot of body surface from the pilothouse down to the waterline. The design towards the aft on the other hand is open and lighter. This is probably due to the lowered bulwarks and the optical distance between bulwark and railings. The bulwarks on both decks also sharply turn upwards and slightly emphasise the mass of the first third of the yacht. If these curves would be stretched this emphasis could be eliminated.

    This somehow collides with the bulky forward ship. Maybe it could help if the windscreens would have a bit more angle and the roof on the top deck would start about a meter towards the aft.

    Hey, but that's just my thought.

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  20. nilo

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    Bjorn,

    Thank you for your good comments. You are pointing out some very correct elements; but the reasons why we ended up with a stronger fore part was my brief to Rene. As I mentioned earlier, I wanted to create a design which will have a yacht feeling, but also give the impression of a strong sea going ship. Indeed the initial design had somewhat stronger fore part. As you said, I also wanted to have a very open aft area both in the salon on the main deck, as well as the top deck. Also we are trying to keep the aft part of the top deck as open and large as possible, because we do not want to have a fly bridge inorder not to have a too high boat.

    However, I do agree with the comments here and I have been receiving elsewhere and we are going to keep working to reach a sleeker profile.

    We do not want to have a smaller copy the 124, but of course we do not want to end up with something that is not going to have a Moonen feeling as well.

    I will share the developments as we progress. Meantime all comments are most welcome.