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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by RichardLillard1, Jun 7, 2007.

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  1. RichardLillard1

    RichardLillard1 New Member

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    I'm new to the whole yachting scene and I was just curious about the cost on different size yachts.

    What is the price range of yachts around 140' to 160'?

    What about 100' to 120'?

    I would imagine the price tends to jump depending on the detail given to parts of the vessel. Such as the Trinity Yachts and some Burger Boats I have seen with much more opulent interior than most others I have seen. Some of them going so far as to call on the designs of great ocean liner interiors (this is of particular interest to me). While I am on that subject, what other builders are known for that type of interior work?

    The other interest to me is what size crew yachts should have. What is the minimum versus the maximum without over-doing it? Could you run a 160' mega yacht with a four man crew?

    I know these questions seem odd to ask but its something I've been curious about since I first gained some interest in yachting.


    Thanks


    Richard
  2. Mov-it!

    Mov-it! New Member

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    Hi Richard,

    Pinning a pricetag on a custom yacht is virtually impossible.
    I'm not familiar with prices of the American builders, but I'm pretty well informed about what's going on in holland.

    The price largely depends on your requirements. The design, the performance, the interior are all of major influence on the price. If you want a displacement yacht, the engines can be smaller and therefor less expensive. If you want performance, the drivetrain alone can easily set you back the price of a nice small series yacht.
    On the subject of the interior design, it's not so much the yard that determines the interior style. The owner is the key-factor on the design.
    A good yachtbuilder will make you a design that exactly reflects your style.
    An opulent interior is not necasseraly the most expensive one.

    Than there is also the issue of build and finishing quality. If you use only the best materials possible and have every single detail custom-made, that will also have an effect on the price.

    A high-end dutch custom of 100' will start about 10mln euros (give or take a 15%) and 150' will probably start about 17 mln euros.

    Operating 160' with a crew of four is technicaly possible, but just keeping a yacht of that size clean is a full-time job. I would suggest a 6+ crew for smooth operation.

    In case you would go for a sailing yacht, prices can vary even more because of the technically complex nature of sailing yachts. Rigs of 2 mln euros plus are regular numbers for big sailing yachts.

    I guess the americans currently have the advantage of the week dollar. If you're looking for a bargain that will be an area to concider building.
  3. Rene GER

    Rene GER Senior Member

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    There are the opinion of an semi-custom yacht. Benetti 35 (120 ft.) is at ca. 9 Million €

    I think yes, but other people know it better. The Sailing Yacht "Vent d'est" (ex Red Dragon) 43 meter had on her first owner a two men crew.
  4. RichardLillard1

    RichardLillard1 New Member

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    Thanks for your replies this has shed some light on things but has also made me curious about others.

    I am mainly interested in a displacement hull but at the same time I am passionate about designs that invoke old style with new technology so to speak. I am very much interested in fantail yachts such as the new Sycara being built by Burger and Athena built by Royal Huisman. While Athena is far too large a yacht for anything I could ever see being built for a private party, I do like many of her features.

    I have taken lately to putting my ideas down for what my ideal yacht would be and I wanted to learn more about the subject and what the cost typically runs. I know there are companies like Kingship that offer a 110' for a mere 7.9mil US (last I checked) but this was because of it being built on the Asian market in yards where people work horrible conditions. So I obviously decided that this would not be a good way to learn about prices let alone for custom work.

    I know there is almost an industry standard pertaining to yacht design now, so do you think it costs any more to have a custom hull to resemble a fantail or would this not really affect the price?

    Thanks again for the answers so far.


    Richard
  5. hullothere

    hullothere New Member

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    4 man crews on over 120'??

    The question back is why would you run a multi-million dollar piece of technology with a skelaton crew?
    Even if you can find reliable dayworkers to keep up on the shoreside chores; once at sea, or with guests aboard, your asking for alot of stress, extremely tired personnel, and giving "Murphy" and open invitation to the vessel and her occupants. Private vessels, who do not charter can consider running with shorter crews than the later, but not significantly smaller. A 120' I previously commanded had a total crew of 7. We were busy 8-16 hours a day, 6 days a week; 7 days a week if we're on charter. Privately, we could have trimmed out the 2nd stew, the chef, and the mate, so long as the Engineer stood bridge watches, and the stew cooked. 150'ers have crews of 9-11, and they are all pretty busy most of the time, keeping the yacht in A1 shape. Yet they still hire out $1,000.00's per month in outside labor.
  6. K1W1

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    Hi,

    Short handed running is a sure way to accidents and damage.

    Nowadays there is a requirement for MCA and ISM Compliant Vessels to adhere to the ( Merchant Navy Code of Safe Working Practices (MNCOSWOP). In here amongst the plethora of legislation, rules and regulation there is a section on hours of work and the maximum allowed. The limits are not what the old hands in the business are used to be any means but they are now the law We have to record hours worked and hours rested.

    I heard the MCA Surveyor say we should have 7 copies of this Manual onboard in order to fully comply with the " rules".
  7. RichardLillard1

    RichardLillard1 New Member

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    I only asked about crew numbers because I didn't know what the norm was. I would never dream of seeing any vessel run on any kind of a skeleton crew, for any reason. I read somewhere that a crew of two or three could manage a boat 65 feet or under and in some cases upwards of around 85 feet. This is usually for couples who choose the life at sea on their own boat. So I thought for double the size of the vessel it would be double the crew. I was unaware of any regulations stating otherwise.


    Richard