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Electrical power connections advice, converter or transformer advice

Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by myadvice, Apr 18, 2007.

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  1. myadvice

    myadvice New Member

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    Any engineers or electricians help welcome,

    Our yacht (a New build) will be covering the areas below and I wish to know which Electrical power connections will be available in the projected sailing area of the yacht.
    Is a power converter (for various voltages and frequencies) required or a relatively simple shore transformer sufficient.
    The more harbours there are with an exotic voltage or frequency the more a converter will be required (last resort a generator has to run but can't do this long term.

    There are quite a number of harbours and the question is what the available voltage and frequencies are.

    It is expected that the yacht will need a shore connection of aprox. :
    100 Amps: 3x 400V+Neutral and 50 Hz

    Here is the harbour list:
    (excuse me if the spelling is sometimes wrong)

    Istanbul
    Cairo
    Beirut
    Athens
    St. Tropez
    Porto Chervo
    Palma de Majorca
    Las Palmas
    Barcelona
    Puerto Banuz
    Ibiza
    Porto Fino
    Naples
    Croatia
    Cathar
    Dubai
    Abu Dhabi
    Copenhagen
    Oslo
    St. Petersburg

    Or any ideas where this information can be found.

    Best regards,
    John
  2. K1W1

    K1W1 Senior Member

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    Hi,

    From your list I would say that you will be ok with a transformer as they all appear to be in the 50 Hz part of the world. I am just not 100% certain what the power is in the Middle East where you plan to cruise. If you fit a converter or shore power unit you will be able to plug into a wide range of voltages regardless of the frequency and thereby save yourself a lot of hassles in strange ports further a field.

    As to the exact services available I suggest you contact the marinas where you want to go and ask them what is available, I could not say for sure who has what available as it is quite a while since I have been in many of these places and even thought about plugging in. I do recall that if it's plugged in then 63A seems to be the limit of the off the shelf plugs. Over this you would normally need to connect to the marinas terminals in the shore power box.

    You should also be aware that whilst the Power may well be 400V 3Ph 50HZ at the dock office end of things it and often is a lot less at the very far end of the dock if there are lots of others plugged in as well. It is a bit like the water pressure the further from the source and the more users the less pressure you get.
  3. Northern Lights

    Northern Lights New Member

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    Shore Power

    It appears from your description that the boat is rigged to accept a standard 3 phase 380/220 50 HZ. It is likely that the boat is also fitted with a distribution transformer. If so the neutral is not connected in the input. The three hots go into the transformer and three hots and a neutral come out. They selected that inlet configuration because it is a very common marina presentation in European. If the budget and the size of the boat will allow it a shore power converter made by ASEA or Atlas would solve all your issues. You plug the boat into anything and it deals with the conflict. The output of the shore power converter is constant regardless of the shore voltage, shore frequency, shore power quality. The other possiblity is to build a custom power transfer switch that would control the input taps of your existing transformer. This would allow for small voltage corrections in the output of the transformer. The parts necessary - Atlas or ASEA = $ 50k USD, Isolation transformer with tap switch 3K USD. It is much easier to have a 60 HZ boat go to a 50 HZ system than the alternative. Most of the marine manufactures build there equipment to be 50/60 tolerant.
  4. K1W1

    K1W1 Senior Member

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    Hi,

    Northern Lights are you saying that in European Marinas they don't use the neutral when you plug into 3 phase shore power?
  5. Northern Lights

    Northern Lights New Member

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    No I am not saying that at all. The distribution transformer that I speak of in my post is on the boat. The marina supplies the neutral. Its just not used on the boats input to its transformer. Not all boats are equipped with transformers. The neutral that the transformer equipped boat sees (references) is created on the load side of the transformer. The reason the marina supplies the four pin + G is that not all boats have an isolation or distribution transformers. I hope that expanding on this point has not further confused the readers. If so I will explain it again. Thanks K1W1 for calling me on this point.

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  6. K1W1

    K1W1 Senior Member

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    Hi,

    I was a bit confused when I read your post, thanks for taking the time to expand on it.