All of you are really awesome! I’ve got my eye on an 1982 Egg Harbor 42’ Flybridge Motor yacht. Her 454 crusader 454 have only 1742 hours. I have no clue about anything unless I make the trip to go see her. We are considering it very strongly and making her our new home on the water. Oh I’m very well aware of both surveyors needed. I would make sure to get two accredited surveyors NOT familiar with the particular yard or boat. She’s on the hill currently in a heated barn soon to be launched. Her hailing port is in FL but she will be staying up north until she is sold. I’ve seen the ad for the past six months to a year now. Her price has dropped a little in that time period. So I’m not really sure what to do. This yard refit the boat to look like she just rolled out of the Egg Harbor City Plant in New Jersey. She looks in photos that pristine. Is anyone able to give me a ballpark estimate of what surveyors these days charge? Thanks for your assistance!
1) Maybe start another thread of it's own, focused on this specific boat, ask whatever... 2) Go look. Decide then whether to proceed with surveys. If it's been on the market for a year or so (or more?) it probably won't be sold out from under you while you ponder on it... -Chris
We are thinking about it. We asked the yard for an up to date survey since all of this work has been done. We were told that is our responsibility. I think that is bringing up red flag number one. If the owner is not willing to at least get a survey and say here everyone I got all of this done and now surveyed… That would be in good faith on his behalf. I would also want all of the records and information on those who did the actual work. Red flag number two is I don’t believe the boat has been rewired. A boat of her age should be rewired and all new LED lights installed. Red Flag number three I didn’t see anything about the windows. The original windows I know leaked overtime. Over a very short period of time. New better sealed windows should have been installed. Nothing mentions it. We would be willing to do this work under two conditions 1. Price drop by $10k 2. No delamination going on anywhere 3. No rotten wood anywhere. under those conditions we would consider the vessel. We priced out the engine and generator rebuild. We priced out the rewiring work. We priced out having a plumber come in and do the system all brand new up to code. Thank God we have a friend that can rebuild all the engines for a family discount. Our son is a licensed electrician contractor. My son’s father in law will do all the a/c to remove and replace all the units. We have to pay full price for the plumber, bummer… We’re waiting on a response from the owner. Hopefully we will hear something over the weekend!
A 42 Egg with Mark-IV engines. Three red flags that your wrong about. Family is going to help rebuild the boat. These post belong in another thread, may I suggest a padded room forum. Keep your sanity and family values, Walk aweigh.
Better off in a new thread... But it's common that prospective buyer pays for surveys (2x) and sea trial. You can ask for records; may or may not get them without a contract in place. -Chris
We want to see her this provided we can reach the yard. We also want to reach the surveyor's association and see if we can get a boat survey done at the same time. As far as the engines go we have 2 options; 1. Launch the boat and get these engines tested and go on from there or, 2. While she on the get the engines and replace the generator. Bring everything to zero hours at one time. Then take a serious look at the a/c units. If they need changing get them done. Also while engines are being done I want transmissions, fuel tanks, and plumbing replaced. We want her to like new for us then have a survey done for the insurance company. So we will go by the yard’s availability…
454 gas engines in a 42ft flybridge boat, are not enough power. Do yourself a favor, buy a used diesel boat, that does not need much work. You will save money in the end. Old boat rebuilding is not cheap. Plus, the resale on a 44-year-old gas, 42ft motor yacht, will be a very low number no matter how much time and money you throw at it.
Sorry TimBB no can do on the diesels. Cost, maintenance, weight, and knowledge in the event either myself or a friend have to do work on them. Easier for us all the way around. We’re not looking for speed. If her cruising speed is 10 to 15 knots we are plenty happy. It’s the slow boat to China… well in this boat’s case the slow boat on the loop! We’re all retired just looking to have fun. Change oil, filters, impellers, zincs, minor things as us old farts just chug along and enjoying ourselves. Diesel this diesel that… I’m more in tune with combustion engines. I grew up with the 454 and the Pacemaker and Egg Harbor Yachts boats. Our home was literally .25 of mile from the old Pacemaker plant in Lower Bank. We were very close friends with the Leek family. We knew Jack when he started Ocean Yachts only up the river from Pacemaker. Section 41 will be a fine vessel. She will do the loop. Hope port we will decide anywhere between NC and FL. We know we will always be searching for our Kokomo… Tim time and money thrown into Section 41 is not the worry… it’s the comfort and enjoyment we are seeking. Tim we want Section 41 to be ALL us. We want to change the kitchen counters over to expo y resin cork filled. The dinner table a chart of the Great Loop! Personalized about us and just for our children when we pass. Before we go she will be ready for her next voyage with the family. Not everything is about money, returns, and what others will think… We think about us, how comfortable are we, are we having fun, are our children in agreement and what should we do for her next voyage? My parents had a Pacemaker and had the opportunity to do exactly what my wife and I want to do but instead my father was all greed. I’m not about greed I want my children to have Section 41 in a slip pre-paid for in an area that ALL agree upon. I want Section 41 to have the best of the best for OUR FAMILY not for resale. If the kids decide to sell her you’re right they will never get more than $25k for her. That’s their problem and greed speaking. My wife and I are thinking generations and so far the children are on the same page. These aren’t kids these are adults in their early 40’s. Our children have even offered to help us update Section 41’s electronics and set aside an account to upgrade these items every few years. Our children helped us pick her out. What was once a mom and dad dream has become a 100%family affair for family ventures. BB I hope this answers some of your future questions…
That's a pretty aggressive idea about scheduling... and a whole boat load of work that might or might not be necessary. Were it me (and of course it's not), I'd go look first... climb around on board and poke into all the various holes inside... then use what you see to make informed decisions about whether/how to proceed. IF/IF the boat looks promising, then schedule a marine survey and a mechanical survey, and then use what you learn from those to make informed decisions about whether/how to proceed. IF/IF the boat survives that process, then see if you can come to a satisfactory financial agreement. IF/IF you were to buy the boat after all those filters, then run it for a season while you assess what major work you might or might not want to do. It's not a particularly huge deal to haul and block the boat later, like after that first season, to have work begin. FWIW, I agree with Tim; a 42' sportfish is just over the edge of what gas engines are good for. (Our previous 42 was also offered with gas engines as baseline; I think the builders sold about 3 of those...) As long as you recognize and can accept limitations, your boat, your call. Another FWIW, though: I find older mechanical diesels approximately 75% less complicated than spark engines. -Chris
Very much agreed. I have re-powered LBCs to Cummins a few times now. So I have witnessed the difference between gas and diesel on the same 30 & 40 foot boats. In my younger days, I used to build HP Chevy blocks. Then I saw it in a magazine ad, a 6-71. That picture hit me like a Holly Grail. Been working on Detroits ever since. Pacemaker, Egg, Ocean and many others wised up and went to diesel. Your excesses defending the LBC in an oversized boat are poor. $25k at resale? That's funny. I hope the price is not that tall now. The gas and poor range will not allow a great loop trip. Bridge clearance may not allow for a great loop trip. There are not many NAPA stores on the loop stocking ole LBC parts. I don't know of anybody anywhere stocking ole LBC parts. Required parts for a diesel? Fuel filters.. Nobody has mentioned anything about the other gorillas in the room; C O Gas volatility 44 year old gas tanks and fuel systems And if you think the cost of gas in an issue, wait till you start shopping for insurance.
I think not as bad as all that in these categories. It's not like there's not a fuel dock every few miles. And reading suggests the lowest bridge (near Chicago) has 19'1" -- so lowering antennas should be all that's required for a boat like that. And it's not like there aren't a bazillion and a half gas boats out there that haven't exploded. -Chris
OP I don’t agree with your definition of greed but I may not have a good understanding of exactly what you mean in post 11. I don’t think it is greedy to want to use one’s resources in a fashion that preserves those resources for you or your children after you are gone. If you are comfortable working on the boat and have mechanical ability then of course go for it. If you are not mechanically inclined I think this boat is going to frustrate you for the first year or so. I had an older friend (died a while ago) who had a Pacemaker MY with gas engines. He almost died of CO poisoning when his genny exhaust leaked into the cabin. Please put a couple of CO detectors on it. It does seem like in the last year or so there have been a rash of gas boat explosions and most that I remember where much newer boats than yours. I do understand you wanting to make the boat right for you regardless of whether you will get it back upon resale. I have way more money in my boat then any insurance company will insure it for. So I have to be extra diligent where I store it during hurricane season. Like someone else said don’t make up your mind that this is the boat until you lay eyes on it. They always look better in photos and video. Not at all wanting to discourage you but want to see you make a good decision for you and your family out the gate.
I might temper my earlier a bit on this one. I guess there are indeed some long stretches on the Mississippi and maybe on the Tenn-Tom where fuel docks aren't spaced out every few miles or so. OTOH, I've read some boats have had fuel at some places truck-delivered along the way, so still likely not a hard stop. AGLCA folks would know... -Chris