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  1. rtrafford

    rtrafford Senior Member

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    My girl was splashed in 1980. I just completed a major refit bridge extension. Last year I swapped out two Westerbekes for new NL's. I have upgraded her continuously through my ownership. I had her surveyed and insured at survey value many years ago. I resurvey every few years for my own benefit as well as security in terms of supporting the insurance policy. They haven't ever requested a survey on renewals. This year I sent them one and effectively doubled the value to cover the investments madras well as the cost of trying to replace her. They asked a few questions for clarity, and I supplied answers and photos. They increased my policy per request.

    They have evidence that I take care of the investment and therefore their risk.
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    I wanted a vessel that was as good as being brand new, but I certainly didn't want pay even half of that price. I didn't. I shopped to find the best starting point I could both afford as well as to use "quickly" (within a year) while I continued to invest going forward. With the recent inflation spike I'd imagine (and Ron can back me up here) that my new boat would be perhaps four or five times what I have invested. This will now last me for the next twenty or thirty years...or until perhaps I get an itch to step up even larger.

    I also realize that this budget for acquisition and then cost of operating and upgrading is not perhaps a common budget, but it accomplished exactly what I set out to own and enjoy...as did, I'm sure, yours.
  3. 88OY44

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    I found a beautiful 42’ Egg Harbor Motor Yacht Flybridge kept in OH with a hailing port of Treasure Island, FL. She was simply stunning from bow to stern and everything in between! If I recall she was an 1982 but she was gas! Every winter they put her in heated storage. She still has the original Egg Harbor gauges and throttles. The forward birth is V with its own bath and the rear birth is a queen with woodwork to die for. If a survey came out sparkling on this Egg I would highly consider it. I would think she would be an excellent loop boat with another couple. That has been an all time dream.

    I don’t think I’ve seen a cleaner vessel. But as my wife says what are they really hiding. I love the saying: BEING SOLD AS IS WHERE IS! Boy that leaves a lot to the imagination. I caught that saying on a 1995 42’ Egg Convertible. He’s selling it dirt cheap but I for one don’t want to put Humpty Dumpty back together again! She won’t even start!
    Then I located a 1995 42’ Golden Egg Galley Up with 2 staterooms and full bath. Very nice fishing machine! The woodwork is something else in these boats. I miss the Leek’s touch but this guy does hire some good craftsmen.

    Being from NJ I love the Jersey boats. I’ve always loved and favored the Leek Machines. Don and Jack certainly knew how to put some magic together. Egg Harbor being the Cadillac and Pacemaker being the Chevy, and then comes the Ocean smack in the middle!

    I’ve looked for Oceans that are “reasonably” priced. But that’s a joke. It seems as though people believe the Oceans are hot commodity. Maybe hot but not worth the prices they are asking. Not when I could pick up the same Pacemaker, Egg Harbor, Post, or Viking at a lower more reasonable price.
  4. chesapeake46

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    My very limited knowledge of boats in comparison to others on this forum is as follows :
    If you are mechanically inclined then diesels will not be a problem for you.

    With peace and love I say, any boat over 40 should be diesel powered or you will pour money into fuel and run slowly.
    A gas loop boat better have large fuel tanks.

    Good luck in your search.
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    Liking to do it and actually doing it aren’t the same but I do understand what you’re saying.
    If we did the loop I would expect to take a full year. No rush just enjoy. Going up the Hudson to Lake Champlain is a beautiful experience. What’s the rush? As long as we are heading south before the winter months in MN I would be happy!
    In 1976 weeks went to Montreal. Rush Rush Rush from Atlantic City to Montreal we made it in 3.5 days. Constantly running and just stopping for fuel and locks the further north we went. I would like to go slower and enjoy the sights. Again that’s if we did it. I would love to but many factors play into our plans…
    Going back and forth to FL is more realistic. As is going from FL to the Bahamas. Those trips I’ve done before I met my wife on my family boat. That was a no brainer. In a motor yacht things will be a bit different but going 36’ to 42’ is no biggie and about the same amount of gas. Again for us no rush were not going there to visit anyone.
    Our family boat was gas. The Egg I’m looking at is gas. My career as an aircraft mechanic all were gas engines. I haven’t seen a diesel or battery powered airplane yet (passenger jet.)
    Time will tell as to what will happen. I need to go in and get a DAP scan. Possibly of Parkinson’s. If so I still want to move out of a house. I don’t want the responsibility anymore. My dream has always been to live on a boat.
    Even with Parkinson’s this one dream on my Bucket List that I want to come True! My father said to me once before he died… only 3 of my siblings could afford a boat because he set them up. And the rest of us… well learn how to make that sort of money. I thought that was rather selfish but I’ll never forget it. My Bucket List is VERY SHORT! I don’t ask or want much! I don’t want to short change myself. If I have Parkinson’s then life has already short changed me enough. I’ll see what God has for me. The Bible says God never gives us more than we can handle…
    We’ll see!
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    I liked your response but aren’t diesels more expensive to maintain when it comes to turbo needing to be cleaned or replaced? And other checks? I currently remember all the stuff the survey mentioned… The surveyor mentioned so many different hours and checks and oil changes and filters I just went nuts. Those babies are enough to drive a person nuts! I know the Detroit Diesel has been around forever. I also know from having to clean up after it… they love to make a mess! Trying to keep things tidy and clean with a Detroit diesel around is tough. Cats are much easier to keep clean. Every boat we have seen has Detroit. Every boat $300 thousand+ have either Mann or Cat. Sorry but I can’t put that into my Santa Wish list or my Bucket List.
    Now if I barter with someone now that would be cool. I buy parts and barter time for time! In this economy that doesn’t fly anymore.
  7. ranger58sb

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    I dunno squat about marine gas engines, so can't really compare. We had 7.4 gassers in a previous boat though, 33' express, and I think 375-hp... and the engines seemed to be pretty much at the upper limit of what gas could do when we got up on plane.

    Dunno much about 2-stroke DDs either...

    But we had mechanical diesels in our previous boat, Cummins CTA8.3 (aka Diamond 450), and they weren't especially costly to maintain. Oil/filter changes, coolant filter changes (with coolant flush/change every X? years or so), primary and secondary fuel filter changes, periodic pencil zinc anode replacement in the fuel cooler and gear oil cooler, very occasional belt maintenance, all relatively straightforward stuff any owner can do. Aftercooler maintenance every 3 years recommended in saltwater. Remove, clean, replace, not rocket science. Heat exchanger maintenance every X? years, ditto R/C/R, not RS. Maybe ditto ditto fuel coolers and gear oil coolers, but the service interval for those can be very long.

    I could do those R/C/R things too, but generally had our local guy do it instead. Don't remember ever having to do any turbo work.

    Actually, the aftercooler (raw water side), heat exchanger, fuel cooler, and gear oil coolers can be -- relatively easily -- flushed with something like Barnacle Buster every couple years or so, extending the service intervals to a certain degree. Still have to remove and service the aftercoolers eventually to get the air side squared away, but doing that can be as simple as you removing, having a radiator shop do the cleaning, you replace. Cheap.

    The only other stuff I decided I didn't want to do myself was injector work and adjusting valve lash. Former never needed anyway, latter was only once every 1000 hours... and not expensive.

    Most mechanical diesels, CAT, etc., probably similar.

    Some of that stuff has similar counterparts with gas, like replacing risers and manifolds every 5 years in saltwater...

    And in the grand scheme of things, I suspect diesels are simpler than gas anyway. Once you see any of that stuff done once, it'd be dead obvious how straightforward most of it is. The specific engine manual will say when to do what (hours or elapsed time period), and doing something once every e.g., 200 hours or once/year isn't onerous.

    -Chris
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    I'm mechanically inclined, and I wouldn't go near a gas boat. If a mechanic can easily work on a gas engine, that mechanic can work on a two stroke diesel in his sleep. But when the diesel becomes a modern diesel, everything changes due to proprietary ECM's and sensors. The same logic still applies, but the knowledge curve is a bit more steep.

    Gas engines at sea don't share the torque benefits of diesel.
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    What an awesome response! What’s funny is about the boating industry I have found 99% of most boats come with DD. I bet most people change over to CATS when it’s time to change engines.
    Every Ocean, Viking, Pacemaker, Egg Harbor, Post, and Jersey have been come with either DD or MANN. The boats with MANN were way out of my league. You’re talking 2000+ years, 50’ feet, refit interiors, and asking $500 thousand+. Very nice boats but way out of my league. My budget keeps me in down into reality. Unless my wife somehow wins the lottery I’ll be staying in reality! And every DD that I see has 3000+ hours and I doubt the owner took care of anything. I believe that is the reason why the boat is For Sale. I spoke with a few mechanics and if they need injectors, zincs, turbos, coolers, and many more parts need attention. Most owners let everything go until the next sucker comes along. I don’t want to be that next sucker.
    I always ask the current owner if he has a current survey. Most owners do because insurance companies want them for insurance purposes. The boat owners use them as a basis for the sale price. I’ve seen some surveys where the boat was a D because it was so badly taken care of and abused. I sent the survey to three boatyards with Jarrett Bay being one of them. Just to bring the BOAT up to a B would cost more than any insurance company would cover it. Engines, tanks, lines, and etc just need to be replaced! I was told just junk it. The owner was asking $100k but I saw eventually sold it for $20k. That to me was still too much.
    With surveyors assistance I have learned so much what to look for on my own. Where to look for water leaks on Pacemakers. Egg Harbors, Oceans, Vikings, etc… I’ve learned what to generally look for in a bilge. It’s amazing what people try to hide. People believe new carpet will take away the smell of mold… sorry it doesn’t. I saw a Hatteras it had DD, new interior, black smoke, mold smell, salon windows leaked, forward salon windows leaked at one point. The bathroom hatch leaked at one point. I took photos and sent to a surveyor and he explained to me exactly what to look for. Amazing what people will do.
    We like the Egg motor yacht but have not gotten any response. If they choose not to respond that’s their problem.
    We’re not in any rush but we want the right boat. I know whatever boat we buy will need work but I’m not willing to take on someone else’s mess. I’m very aware of the meaning of the acronym B.O.A.T. Break Out Another Thousand! That’s fine but $100k is not fine! If if get a boat for $100k and need to put $50k into it I can live with that. If I can do most of the work awesome… I get boat parts at cost. If I need someone to do the work I ll buy the parts and let them do the work.
    I’ll see what happens. It may be a long road but we’re in no rush. Our home value only goes up and currently it’s a buyers market for boats. Even if it tries to flip then it’s simply… either work with me or I leave. There are many other companies…
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    I was always under the impression that no matter the diesel manufacturer diesel engines as a whole are more to maintain ie, more filters, more oil, turbines, glow plugs, rebuilt, etc…
    My friend had Crusaders and every year and cleaned them and whatever else they needed. I just know his have lasted him a long time. Most people aren’t like him. The boat has since been sold since he passed. I has another friend with DD that needed major repairs but pulled the major stunt as most do. PULL OUT THE SPRAY PAINT AND MAKE THINGS LOOK GREAT!!! Nothing wrong with hiding issues. The only thing I can say is get a boat surveyor and a mechanic surveyor otherwise "caveat emptor." Incase you need a translation LET THE BUYER BEWARE
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    2 stroke diesels are just about as simple and reliable as you can find in terms of propulsion machines. Both gas and diesel engines require fuel, filters, oil, and rarely do diesels involve turbines.

    Keeping engines cleaned and painted isn't itself a stunt. It's a good way to help identify trouble early in its development.
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    I expect that's only if you're looking at boats from the '80s or before... or maybe early '90s?

    Reading suggests DDs are relatively easy to care for, even simpler than gas engines and more modern 4-stroke diesels. And reading also suggests the 71 series are good for 20-30K (thousand!) hours between rebuilds. (Apparently not all 92s might last quite that long between rebuilds, but also apparently because many of those may well have been flogged to death...)

    I dunno average lifetime for marine gas engines, for comparison...


    Don't think so. Especially the older DD 2-strokes and follow-on mechanical 4-strokes from CAT or Cummins or MAN (one "N") or Volvo or whomever.

    Mostly bigger planing boats start needing more horsepower and especially more torque... and gas engines pretty much fade out at about 35' or so for planing hulls.

    I think also fuel consumption is usually lower with diesel AND (while it varies around the country) diesel is about $1 less per gallon that marine gas.

    Your preferences, your wallet, but there's not much about diesels to be afraid of...

    -Chris
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