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Is my water pump failing?

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  1. incoming

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    I found this little pile of gritty black grease underneath the shaft of my raw water pump. There’s a little “window” in the shaft housing and it dripped down from there.

    Is this a sign of a bearing and/or seal failing on the water pump. We’re due to run home from the Bahamas in a couple of days and I’m nervous about losing my raw water pump during the crossing. Though I don’t know if there’s anything I can do about it…

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  2. Pascal

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    I don’t see any sign of water / salt residue which are usually the tell tale sign of an issue so it should be ok. Just clean up the residue and keep an eye on it.
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    As Pascal mentioned, the little window you refer to is the tattle tell where you typically get water dripping when the pump is beginning to need work. I would clean the area and see if it re-occurs. Are you certain it’s coming from the pump?
  4. Capt Ralph

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    What does it feel like?
    Oil?
    Slime?
    Gritty?
    That window would also drain oil from the engine.

    Next, look directly above that spot and imaging bow up running angle.
    Where else could it be coming from?

    From the Alternator?
  5. incoming

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    It definitely came out of that little window.

    It was very gritty, almost like it had sand or salt in it. Otherwise it was black and oily but thick - it made a “pile” on the engine mount bracket. Cleaned it up and will check again after running. Glad it’s not reason for total panic.
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    Do you have a little magnet onboard?

    If the grit is magnetic, it is probably an outer bearing failing.
    It should get you home but in need of quick servicing.

    If non-magnetic, could be the rubber slinger washer or bearing cover getting chewed up. It will still get you home but not a fire drill to service.
  7. incoming

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    Unfortunately I already cleaned it all up so not much to test with a magnet but I will if I see any more of it.

    I fished for 4 hours yesterday and saw no further deposits of the gunk. So whatever it was it’s either already completely gone or it isn’t continuing to degrade. I’ll keep an eye on it and plan to disassemble the pump when I get home. I’ve got a pretty long list of things at this point, will take me the rest of the summer to fix it all.

    Here’s a new one - this morning, the winch cable on my davit snapped lowering the dink into the water. Really lucky it only fell a few inches and was over the water, not over the boat (or a person). The cable, which is only about 8 months old, looks like it binded up somewhere and got pinched. Really don’t want to tow the thing 230 nm home so I’m gonna have the local yard fork it on to the bow for me.
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    Oh Sheet..:eek:
    Was it wire or synthetic?
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    Wire. I just replaced the winch less than a year ago so it was new cable. I could tell by looking at it though it got pinched and compromised. I’m still surprised it snapped though. I thought those cables had strength to spare. No corrosion at all.
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    When you can, post a picture of the failed point?
    Was it at the feral or just in the lead that gets wrapped on the spool?
    This is very disturbing and may need to be addressed to the vendor/mfg.
    If you post a pic, we may need a new thread.
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    Ok I’ll start a new thread. I saved the cable.

    Gonna research synthetic options would be nice to not have to worry about corrosion and cutting a hand on a sharp point
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    Back to the water pump - it’s leaking now so I’m going to pull it and tear it down. It got me home though!
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    Home is where we enjoy spending Mo Money..
    Glad your home safe.

    We just made Ponce in the dark, in the rain with dredge lines and unlighted temp channel markers.
    Heading home with a blown gen-set and not so perfect props.

    Uber in Ft Pierce great. Enjoying fresh hooch tonight.
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    IMG_3283.jpeg The water pump plot thickens…A gear tooth was chipped and there is at least some damage to every other gear tooth, all in the same spot, roughly the back 1/3 of each tooth on the pump housing side.

    I removed the impeller and turned the shaft. It turns freely and smoothly and there is no slop or wobble. I’ll continue dissembling later and post what I find. Fortunately, the large gear in the motor that the pump gear engages looks totally fine.
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    Brother, you may have a problem.
    Your gear driven pump is not synchronized like a timing gear or chain. Every drive tooth will touch each and every driven tooth.
    Sadly, any issue that one tooth has, is transferred to every tooth on the mating gear.
    And; That missing tooth chip went somewhere.
    In my opinion, the drive gear (still in the engine) has one bad tooth or more with similar wear damage to every tooth.

    Hand baring the engine over and inspecting each of the drive gears teeth will take hours but may be worth it.

    But wait, there sadly may be more.
    If this drive gear (that drives this pump), is it self driven by the cam or crank shaft, then this transferred pattern probably has transferred to/from even another gear (crank, cam, injector, oil).

    These other gears (not the oil pump) are synchronized. Every crank rev, a bad gear hits the same other gear tooth every revolution.

    I an not a Volvo expert.
    I know about Detroits;
    Detroit 2-strokes luv these big drive/driven gears to every shaft and option in/on the engine.
    And when one fails it is like dominoes.

    You may consider getting a VP heavy in there to inspect the gear train.

    IMG_3283b.jpg

    But wait, there sadly may be even more.
    Knowing that there is/was some vibration (0.005" or more) from that gear the the water pump shaft, something in that pump may have been abused. This same vibration may have caused or accelerated the pump's failure.

    Inspect that pump shaft & bearings well.
    For me, new bearings and a gear to start.
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    You should carefully inspect every tooth of the gear that drives the pump gear. You may have something embedded in a tooth. If you have room it would be a good idea to do a dye penetrant test on that gear as well. Hopefully VP made the drive gear a higher quality than the driven gear to make the easier to replace part the sacrificial part.
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    I didn’t inspect every tooth on the drive gear, but the ones that I could see looked fine. Maybe a slight bit of a wear pattern but nothing like what I saw on the pump gear.

    However, I am seeing oil splatter around the fuel pump drive coupler (other side of the engine, engaged with the same drive gear). So that is another sign of bad things happening.

    I put a new water pump on - might be able to salvage some parts from the old one but I’m assuming it’s toast. I’ll take it apart and see what’s going on regardless.

    More to come.
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    Found this diagram in the workshop manual.

    Now I see what you guys are talking about. This thing is a frickin Swiss watch. Multiple gears between the raw water pump and fuel pump. I have a bit of a sick feeling in my stomach right now. Screenshot 2025-07-14 at 8.37.59 AM.jpeg.png
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    I think the sick feeling while warranted at first can be set aside as you begin to disassemble that assembly to expose the gears and the debris. As suggested by another, the hope here is that the device gears are of softer metal, becoming more sacrificial than the actual shaft gears. To know for sure and to clean for sure, you'll need to expose all. Decent chance you'll need to drop your oil pan as well in order to scavenge any remaining planetoids....

    I certainly would not reinstall the rebuilt or replaced water pump into that compromised oil, and unlikely you can clear the debris via a simple oil change....