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56M Perini S/Y Bayesian Sinks During Palermo Storm

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by kevin8tor, Aug 19, 2024.

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  1. MountainGuy, May 19, 2025
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    The prosecutor conducts a (criminal) investigation, in any case of personal injury or death. These findings go to court for trial. These are 2 independent steps with 2 independent entities. Family members and others may join the trial and contribute their own legal opinions. This is the case in any kind of accident Europe.

    The investigations (only) collect the facts of the case (what happened), whereas the trial then match them to the elements of a crime (if what happened is criminally relevant). A subtle but immensely important difference, which is only too often neglected, as we jump from media coverage to conclusions.

    In Germany there is a special agency in the ministry of transportation, the "Bundesstelle für Seeunfalluntersuchung (BSU)", which is required to investigate and publish a written, public, report within 12 month. The sole objective of BSU accident investigations is to determine the circumstances and causes as well as the contributing factors of the accident with a view to preserve life and avoid accidents in the future, not to apportion blame, or settle liability or claims.
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  2. Liam, May 22, 2025
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    Niii which means a yes or a no.

    The stability issue becomes as much a problem for Bayesian as it is for the Class.

    Because at the end of the day this is a classed yacht, certified by ABS.
    That stability booklet is certified by ABS (American Bureau of Shipping) to a yacht ✠A1, Yachting Service, AMS, ACCU classification society rules, and is MCA Compliant for charter.
    If the class would have not been happy with the booklet Perini Navi as probably any other yacht builder would have complied.
    You cannot sell a 50 meter yacht if not build up to class, or it very hard.

    As for the captain probably his only fault is that he probably under estimated the Med Thunder Storms when seas are around 30 degrees.

    You can try as much blame the builder as much how you want, but really the Class is much as fault as much as them.
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  3. Capt Ralph, May 22, 2025
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    I have been thinking of this. Thank you for your encouragement for me to ponder more deeply.
  4. rtrafford, May 25, 2025 at 5:24 PM
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    I know I heard a report, "wake me at 20 knots", and the time line seemed to require a few extra minutes beyond 20 knots, to 30 knots, prior to awakening. That aside, no discussion of weather equipment monitoring? If the vessel is underway, and the captain sees the weather that the mate was filming for social media, he'd be on the gear looking into the details of what was headed in his direction.

    The stability booklet is certainly troubling. Was it not updated to speak to the terms of the new, taller mast? That mast is a hell of a sail...and it seems to me that I have a standing order to lower the keel if the wind reached 20...

    It's a bad accident. I don't see anything that screams manslaughter, to me. But I do see room for improvement. I think...
  5. Capt Ralph, May 25, 2025 at 5:47 PM
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    To start, the mfg should have kept his flipping mouth shut.
    If anything, Liam still has a great point.
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  6. Steve in SoCal, May 25, 2025 at 6:49 PM
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    Was the boat even in deep enough water to drop a 10 meter board? Remember she dragged quite a ways from where she was anchored. That a sail boat couldn't recover from a knock down with out sinking is another thing.
  7. BlueNomad, May 27, 2025 at 6:30 PM
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    Stability is approved by flag state.
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