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Repair or Sell Grand Banks 36 Classic

Discussion in 'Grand Banks Yacht' started by Capt Dadio, May 15, 2022.

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  1. Capt Dadio

    Capt Dadio New Member

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    Fellow Boaters I have need of your help.
    My Lehman 135 overheated (loose fan belt) and shut down. We had to be towed in.
    The engine would not restart. Flywheel will not turn. Slight smell when the valve cover was removed. No water in oil. Expansion tank holds coolant.

    Bottom line, getting an engine out of a Grand Banks is not easy. I have done it twice. But the engine should come out to be repaired. (My mechanic) He suspects broken shaft.

    Cummins has an engine, 6BT Retro I believe, that has been known to replace the hard-to-find Lehman engine in decent shape. Cost around $10,000. I figure the replacement costs including on-the-hard would be between $15,000-$20,000.

    So here is my dilemma:
    Wife wants to sell. Tired of engine swapping. Does not want to spend another dime, sell as is.

    I see on the boards, Grand Banks are a desired boat, running.
    Not sure about not running.
    Should I repair, go through the trip to the yard, spend the money and then sell
    \or
    Sell as is and take the hit?
    Your thoughts?
  2. JWY

    JWY Senior Member

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    What year is she? What is she worth repaired and what is she worth as is? Is either enough to get your next boat and one that wife will like? Can you use the write-off if you donate her?

    IMHO, it will be very hard to sell a boat with the engine needing replacement. That means you can't survey other systems and no sea trial. Big risk on buyer's part.
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  3. Capt Ralph

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    My Ole GB customers swear by the big Lehman shop American Diesel. I think it's Americandieselcorp. Com . I recomend calling them, maybe long block exchange or other ideas.
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  4. Capt Ralph

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    In the past, we have tore the engines down to scant short blocks. Long forklift out the port or aft door.
    Sounds like you sized a lung. Must have got REAL hot, no alarms?
  5. DOCKMASTER

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    I think JWY hit the nail on the head. You are going to have to price well below just the cost of engine repairs. Without being able to trial and test all the other systems and most buyers will expect a big discount due to risk.

    why can’t you do an in-frame rebuild?
  6. Capt Ralph

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    The Lehman blocks have way out lived their expected lives. The cylinder liners are not serviceable in frame.
    If they did tear up a crankshaft, more in shop work to save the block.

    Sadly, It is very rare to find a Detroit in a GB.
  7. Capt Dadio

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    Boaters, Thank you for your input. I have been a quiet follower of the two forums I have posted in for years.

    The boat is a 1979 36 Classic. We had the bottom redone 2 years ago, blisters, paint and all. 6 solar cells for power on the hook. 6 new batteries, 4 for house and 2 for start. Nice diesel generator. 2 A/C units. New "Natures Head" marine toilet, new instruments, fly bridge has hard top, all new interior, bedding, stove, etc.
    Maybe if running: $75,000.

    My thought was to start with the price, minus estimated costs for repair, but that is hopium on my part. Without sea trial or running engine, might as well give the boat away.
    The mechanic is a marine mechanic, and the question then arises, how far do you dig into the engine before you call it dead?

    Working lubricant into the cylinder heads sounds like a good course of action.

    No, the engine did not run for long, maybe 2 minutes, before we shut her down. I misspoke by saying the engine died. There was steam coming from the engine room, temp got to about 220. I have mechanical and electrical gauges as well as a laser heat gun to monitor the engine heat. Ran fine at 1750rpm. When we opened it up to 1850rpm, all hell broke loose. I shut her down. IN hind site, probably should have just idled down. But that is history.
    There is my story.
    Love the boat. DO NOT want to go through taking it all apart on the hard.

    Again, thank you for all your input. This is a real pickle I wish was not in my jar.
  8. Capt Dadio

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    See my new post for your answers. Thank you for your input.
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    One last piece of info on my GB 36. The Lehman was a rebuilt RTO. She only has 35 hours on her. Had the engine installed one year ago.
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    Did you speak to the company who’s rebuild only lasted 35 hours?
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  11. Pascal

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    What is so hard about pulling a little Lehman 135? Pull it out and either rebuild it or find a used running replacement.
  12. olderboater

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    As I detailed to you elsewhere, if you want to minimize your loss, you have no choice but to fix things, whether repair or replace. You'll be scavenged with it not running. But please, no one like the last rebuilder. Find a reputable yard.
  13. Capt J

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    How have you gone through 2 engines in that boat. Lehmans generally go 10,000-20,000 hours IF properly taken care of. It doesn't sound like your engine was. That being said, you can get brand new Lehmans (not rebuilt) I think from American diesel and they're 160hp now. I personally don't like Lehmans as they run a bit stinky, vibrate a lot and leak oil and etc. If a cummins remanned would drop right in, that's the direction I'd go. In order to get decent money out of the boat, it will need to be running.
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  14. Capt Dadio

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    All hell broke loose - steam, shouting to drop anchor, idling down, realizing the shipping channel on the St John's now had a disabled boat at the Dames Point Bridge.

    No banging, no noise, no indicator, no nothing. Just went from 180 degree to a little over 220 in about 2 minutes.

    I was running between the two helms checking the new gauges and comparing them to the laser gun and mechanical heat gauge.

    I was still "breaking" the engine in, slow is better.

    We have had the boat over a year from the install. That would be another can of worms to open - trying to get the mechanic to own this failure. Yes, it could be shoddy workmanship, but that is the old water under the bridge.
    Thank everyone of you for your help. Just "talking out loud" with other boaters v my wife only, has helped me see the bigger picture of what might be ahead.
    Did not hire a mechanic surveyor. Engine froze and banged very loud on our start up to leave after the sea trial and contract sign. We never found out what caused it, leaking exhaust back into the coolant. Previous owner literally shrugged his shoulders and got in his car and drove off. Finally came down to finding another engine. A Lehman in good shape is very rare. Found RTO in Miami. Put it in. Found an oil feed into one of the cylinders installed backwards from the rebuild. Take out and do again. 35 hours later, here we are. There was no sound with this failure. I just went worse case scenario after the 2 years it took to find and get the engine installed so the boat would at least go forward in the water. I have been inspired by the posts above. I am going to roll up my sleeves and see where it takes me. Will keep you informed as to how this goes.
  15. Pascal

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    If you loose cooling, you have to shut down early to save the engine. 195, maybe 200 max. By the time you reach 220 damage will occur. Did you find out why it overheated? Raw water issue, dumped the coolant?
  16. Capt J

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    Given your Lehman luck, install a cummins factory remanned engine. A 4 BT probably would do the job.......have a different mechanic install it.
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    I have a feeling his Lehman was not a rebuilt engine but a shade tree mechanic's version of rebuilding.
  18. Pascal

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    It could have been a brand new engine, if for whatever reason raw water flow is reduced or shutdown, an overheat is an overheat. Any engine with rising coolant temp needs to be monitored carefully, slowed down and shut down before it goes over 200.
  19. Capt Ralph

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    O K
    Let's stop beating the OP up.
    Ship happened.
    I hope we have offered some good info to help.
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  20. Capt Ralph

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    Your not answering PM.
    So Where are you docked and who is your mechanic?